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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

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As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue


Whatever is your thing SB :o . But if your are going to do it after dark please keep the noise down :wink:

Is it at all possible that there are grades of offences and penalties to suit?

I just simply don't agree with the morals police that are launching so vehemently on this issue. If Fev had been caught littering I still think that plenty would be calling for his suspension - there just doesn't seem to be aby balance on this issue.

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I think wake the team up at 4am. (fev would prabably be still awake,) to swim at Kerferd Road or climb some hill etc. But not Fev. let him sleep in. The way to make Fev feel shit is to make his teamates suffer while he doesnt


That's a fantastic idea.

4am tomorrow morning, the entire club is forced to swim in the bay while Fevola watches on from the beach. And it is imparted on the blockhead that if anything like this ever, EVER, happens again then this is the punishment that will be given to the entire team.

Apart from something that is searingly personal, I don't think he will ever learn.


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This thread is all about “Fev,” and sadly “Fev’s” all about “Fev.” But for me, I’m all about the club, for I’ve stuck by this club through shitty times, and continually defended the individual; this flower. I’ve been proud to support the club, but to those apologists, tell me you feel truly proud today to be donning your team’s colours. We’ve still got along way to go before we gain respect on-the-park and sadly it seems incidents like these culminate in making it virtually impossible for us to gain respect off it. For mine, it’s another disappointing day for the football club and it’s image after making inroads over the past 12 months and gaining respectability in the general community. It is also disappointing Brendan has put the club in a position whereby sponsors, media, supporters, and the general public, will be heavily scrutinizing the penalty the club imposes on him for denigrating the Carlton Football Club and AFL brands, and to set an example to his peers that his actions are unacceptable, whilst compromising our ability to win our first game in a very long time. I don’t give a shit what any Carlton footballer does behind closed doors but whilst they are in the public eye they are actively being an ambassador for the club I love, and I expect them to act accordingly. I say to those of you whom have obviously lowered the bar for what is expected of Brendan as a human being and a public face to our club…what if it were our Captain?

…And don’t even start me on how alcohol and late nights does not affect performance! Obviously you have NO %$#@$#% IDEA!


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I think wake the team up at 4am. (fev would prabably be still awake,) to swim at Kerferd Road or climb some hill etc. But not Fev. let him sleep in. The way to make Fev feel shit is to make his teamates suffer while he doesnt


That's a fantastic idea.

4am tomorrow morning, the entire club is forced to swim in the bay while Fevola watches on from the beach. And it is imparted on the blockhead that if anything like this ever, EVER, happens again then this is the punishment that will be given to the entire team.

Apart from something that is searingly personal, I don't think he will ever learn.

Waste of time - he wouldn't understand. Because if he did he wouldn't be in his current predicament.

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This thread is all about “Fev,” and sadly “Fev’s” all about “Fev.” But for me, I’m all about the club, for I’ve stuck by this club through shitty times, and continually defended the individual; this flower. I’ve been proud to support the club, but to those apologists, tell me you feel truly proud today to be donning your team’s colours. We’ve still got along way to go before we gain respect on-the-park and sadly it seems incidents like these culminate in making it virtually impossible for us to gain respect off it. For mine, it’s another disappointing day for the football club and it’s image after making inroads over the past 12 months and gaining respectability in the general community. It is also disappointing Brendan has put the club in a position whereby sponsors, media, supporters, and the general public, will be heavily scrutinizing the penalty the club imposes on him for denigrating the Carlton Football Club and AFL brands, and to set an example to his peers that his actions are unacceptable, whilst compromising our ability to win our first game in a very long time. I don’t give a shit what any Carlton footballer does behind closed doors but whilst they are in the public eye they are actively being an ambassador for the club I love, and I expect them to act accordingly. I say to those of you whom have obviously lowered the bar for what is expected of Brendan as a human being and a public face to our club…what if it were our Captain?

…And don’t even start me on how alcohol and late nights does not affect performance! Obviously you have NO %$#@$#% IDEA!


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Couldn't agree more, it astounds me how people can defend these actions. Weak clubs will brush this aside, strong clubs will deal with it and stamp it out!


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This thread is all about “Fev,” and sadly “Fev’s” all about “Fev.” But for me, I’m all about the club, for I’ve stuck by this club through shitty times, and continually defended the individual; this flower. I’ve been proud to support the club, but to those apologists, tell me you feel truly proud today to be donning your team’s colours. We’ve still got along way to go before we gain respect on-the-park and sadly it seems incidents like these culminate in making it virtually impossible for us to gain respect off it. For mine, it’s another disappointing day for the football club and it’s image after making inroads over the past 12 months and gaining respectability in the general community. It is also disappointing Brendan has put the club in a position whereby sponsors, media, supporters, and the general public, will be heavily scrutinizing the penalty the club imposes on him for denigrating the Carlton Football Club and AFL brands, and to set an example to his peers that his actions are unacceptable, whilst compromising our ability to win our first game in a very long time. I don’t give a shit what any Carlton footballer does behind closed doors but whilst they are in the public eye they are actively being an ambassador for the club I love, and I expect them to act accordingly. I say to those of you whom have obviously lowered the bar for what is expected of Brendan as a human being and a public face to our club…what if it were our Captain?

…And don’t even start me on how alcohol and late nights does not affect performance! Obviously you have NO %$#@$#% IDEA!


Here here!


Couldn't agree more, it astounds me how people can defend these actions. Weak clubs will brush this aside, strong clubs will deal with it and stamp it out!


Great post WTSOAPM - some sanity amongst the mayhem.

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Suspend Fev how many chances can you give a bloke.

I don't expect every player to be a saint but how many chances can you give one guy. :twisted:

Club greater then the player.

As a minimum he should be kicked out of the leadership group.

No point giving him a ban on games,you do that,the members will spew if we lose our first 2 games.It will put us back again in trouble already for the season. The club had the chance in the draft to get a player in the draft as a possible Full Forward but didn't.It could have asked Brad Smith to give it another go as a back up for a couple of years if they thought this could happen.

If the club loses those games and are like 1 win 8 loses we might as well get those 2 picks and try getting Ben Rutten as a Full Back and find the best Key Position Player who plays forward or that Ruckman

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


Camel

As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue


Whatever is your thing SB :o . But if your are going to do it after dark please keep the noise down :wink:

Is it at all possible that there are grades of offences and penalties to suit?

I just simply don't agree with the morals police that are launching so vehemently on this issue. If Fev had been caught littering I still think that plenty would be calling for his suspension - there just doesn't seem to be aby balance on this issue.


The organisation I work for used to service all the Rydges Hotels accross Australia - One of the technicains under my supervision got caught pissing on the plant room floor in North sydney - We lost the contract Australia wide - the bloke was sacked then had the cheek to try out for an unfair dismissal claim which got thrown out

There is a difference between running behind a tree and pissing on a bush to pissing on a shop front .

The guy is a goose and should have been got rid of and it is not taking the moral high ground it's common decency.

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Time to look at our forward options and also who comes out of contract next year. 4 AM in the morning 5 days before a game plus complete flower behaviour...... question is if a Geelong type acyion making him play 4-5 games for the ants would help?


You cant,you can blame the recruiters for that,Hartlett,Ohailipin,Edwards couldn't kick 20 goals between all 3.We should have traded him for 2 young kids or high picks and targeted a Full Forward even someone like Tony Notte who is a bit thin at the moment,but might be very good.

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i am sick of people using afl footballers or sports people all together, and saying what kinda example are they setting for kids. How about letting the parents raise the children right...i didn't try to emulate any of my sporting heroes or acting stars or whoever, you know why, because my parents brought me up right.

How about we let fev do what 90% of guys do when they go out, and then let him do his thing on the field. Some people on this forum are acting like english fans, who just love taking down their star.

I don;t care what anyone else says, he is a star, and he did nothing that bad to receive the treatment, he's been getting. Sure he's record isn;t that great off-field, but as long as he gets the job done on-field, i don;t care


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i am sick of people using afl footballers or sports people all together, and saying what kinda example are they setting for kids. How about letting the parents raise the children right...i didn't try to emulate any of my sporting heroes or acting stars or whoever, you know why, because my parents brought me up right.

How about we let fev do what 90% of guys do when they go out, and then let him do his thing on the field. Some people on this forum are acting like english fans, who just love taking down their star.

I don;t care what anyone else says, he is a star, and he did nothing that bad to receive the treatment, he's been getting. Sure he's record isn;t that great off-field, but as long as he gets the job done on-field, i don;t care


The most sensible post on here.

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You both need to read WTSOAPM post.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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Great post Elwood,

But is what Fev is alleged to have done worth a suspension? If so, then fair enough, but personally I don't think it's worth a suspension. Discipline yes, but not a suspension.
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Given he was suspended for having a dummy spit against Freo last year, then yeah, flower oath this is worth a suspension.

No individual is greater than the club.


Camel

As you state his suspension was for on field tantrum - well worth the suspension.

This is an entirely different matter. This is pre-season, stupid behaviour where nobody was hurt and the club not affected in any serious way. If the club fined him, removed him from the leadership group and asked for community service then surely that is enough for this type of behaviour.

No doubt most find what he did to be in bad taste, some find it offensive, one person even claims it involved several breaches of the law (I find this claim to be extremely dubious).

I agree that no individual is greater than the club, but I never claimed that they were. It is simply that I don't see this as being a huge issue.


So can I come round and piss on your front door Ockham

Its no big issue


Whatever is your thing SB :o . But if your are going to do it after dark please keep the noise down :wink:

Is it at all possible that there are grades of offences and penalties to suit?

I just simply don't agree with the morals police that are launching so vehemently on this issue. If Fev had been caught littering I still think that plenty would be calling for his suspension - there just doesn't seem to be aby balance on this issue.


The organisation I work for used to service all the Rydges Hotels accross Australia - One of the technicains under my supervision got caught pissing on the plant room floor in North sydney - We lost the contract Australia wide - the bloke was sacked then had the cheek to try out for an unfair dismissal claim which got thrown out

There is a difference between running behind a tree and pissing on a bush to pissing on a shop front .

The guy is a goose and should have been got rid of and it is not taking the moral high ground it's common decency.


There's also a difference between pissing on a client's floor during work hours and pissing on a shopfront at 5am.

Not condoning Fev's actions at all, but it's a different situation.

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This could not have come at a better time in my opinion.

It will show how big Rattens balls are.
If we are really planning for the future than D*** H**** like Fev cannot be tolerated. We are unlikely to play finals this year so here is a chance to set the tone for the next few years.
Stuff leaving it to the "leadership group" to determine his penalty.They are the same group of fellow footballing knobs who elected him into the leadership group.If his peers had any nouse at all we wouldnt be refering to this clown as a leader in the first place.
Ratten has to take charge here and set the tone for the next few years.

I would love to see a 4-6 week holiday than have the clown work his way back into the team via the VFL.


We are unlikely to play finals,well we don't know that,a couple of early wins can set you up.If Fevola did this mid season and we were 3 wins out of 11,yes i would suspend him for the rest of the season and try new things with who could be Full Forward.

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Are you moral hypochondriacs going to get upset if the club just gives Fev a fine and kicks him out of the leadership group?

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DownUnderChick wrote:
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Habib wrote:

i am sick of people using afl footballers or sports people all together, and saying what kinda example are they setting for kids. How about letting the parents raise the children right...i didn't try to emulate any of my sporting heroes or acting stars or whoever, you know why, because my parents brought me up right.

How about we let fev do what 90% of guys do when they go out, and then let him do his thing on the field. Some people on this forum are acting like english fans, who just love taking down their star.

I don;t care what anyone else says, he is a star, and he did nothing that bad to receive the treatment, he's been getting. Sure he's record isn;t that great off-field, but as long as he gets the job done on-field, i don;t care


The most sensible post on here.

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We're not going to win a premiership this year, so you have to weigh up the impact:
- How many memberships will fevolas stupidity cost the club?
- How many memberships might it cost the club to not play him for a couple of matches and forgo a few wins?

Food for thought...

I must admit, it's pretty poor timing by the lad, he really know's how to flower things up

yes but more members will go if we start the season losing early and it f up the season without someone kicking goals,Ohailipin is our best shot,but it seems he lost 15 kilo and was ill and that to me looks like he will at least struggle until a year to get back to what he was.

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$20,000 fine for being a shelfish


That explains it. Fevola is a crustacean. BAN HIM

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