Fevola incident - March 2008

Ockham's Razor · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm **Posts:** 1689

barryb wrote:

and is not the role model we would all want him to be.

I don't want him to be a role model.

I want him to kick goals when he plays football. My role models and those of my children are much smarter and more well rounded. I expect nothing more of Fev than to play well for Carlton, as he is paid to do.

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

Just heard on SEN :roll:

Fev has yet to be ruled out of Thursday's game :edited false alarm:

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

verbs wrote:

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Have you read or heard these patrons comments on the matter? Do they even exist?

that the footage clearly showed a staff member run from inside the bar/shop to confront Fev outside would indicate that it was fairly visible from inside the shop window by patrons (unless of course the business was trading with an empty shop :roll:

)

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:13 am

4thchicken wrote:

verbs wrote:

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Have you read or heard these patrons comments on the matter? Do they even exist?

that the footage clearly showed a staff member run from inside the bar/shop to confront Fev outside would indicate that it was fairly visible from inside the shop window by patrons (unless of course the business was trading with an empty shop :roll:

)

Fairly. Making assumptions doesn't make truth. Your're guessing just as much as everyone else.

Why fabricate such crap?

2ndeffort · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:13 am

mjonc wrote:

2ndeffort wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

I heard he didn't shake twice.

Well I hope that he farted at the end then!!!

Wonder what he had for dinner? IF it smelt then $40k fine.

Maybe that's what all the pushing and shoving was about, some bystanders trying to escape and others trying to falsely claim the fart as their own!

Ockham's Razor · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm **Posts:** 1689

4thchicken wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

4thchicken wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

Fev's not the first person to pee in public and he won't be the last.

Peeing on someones shopfront in full view of staff/customers whislt they are trading and then initiating a push and shove when confronted is a lot more serious than just peeing in public in a discrete location/alley (which is what most people would do).

You think its ok? - How about you go out and demonstrate how normal it is - I'm fairly certain that the reaction you get from the general public will quickly indicate that such behaviour isnt normal and quite unacceptable

4th chicken,

I'm not suggesting it's normal, nor acceptable.

It is indiscrete, innapropriate and very poor form. It is however, only peeing in public.

All I'm suggesting is that some perspective be brought to the matter.

Footy supporters want all players from all clubs to act as role models at all times. Players come from a cross section of society and will behave to different standards depending upon there personality.

If we hold Fev up as a role model for us and our children then perhaps it says more about us and our lack of judgement than we care to acknowledge.

if you wish to be technical about it - what fev did was criminal on several fronts - indecent exposure, assault, being drunk in a public space etc

I'm not getting technical at all about it.

Interesting that you know exactly what he did, were you there? Equally interesting is your take on legal matters, indecent exposure???? Are you sure?

Quote:

being drunk in a public space

How drunk was he?

At this rate he won't be available on Thursday night as he will be on remand.

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:17 am

Funny how none of these mysterious "patrons" Fev urinated in front of have come forward to discuss the matter.

How come the footage doesn't show Fev pissing? How can that be explained? Anyone?

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Wangers wrote:

Just heard on SEN :roll:

Fev has been ruled out of Thursday's game

Fev's let the members down

AND

the club's let the members down for keeping him on the list when anyone with 1/2 a brain knows that he's too thick to keep out of trouble.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

verbs wrote:

Funny how none of these mysterious "patrons" Fev urinated in front of have come forward to discuss the matter.

How come the footage doesn't show Fev pissing? How can that be explained? Anyone?

One of lifes mysteries, have CCTV of someone coming out of the shop and none of him actually pissing

Something seems a wee bit weird.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

budzy wrote:

Fev's let the members down

No, Fev let his member out.

Try the veal.

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

verbs wrote:

4thchicken wrote:

verbs wrote:

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Have you read or heard these patrons comments on the matter? Do they even exist?

that the footage clearly showed a staff member run from inside the bar/shop to confront Fev outside would indicate that it was fairly visible from inside the shop window by patrons (unless of course the business was trading with an empty shop :roll:

)

Fairly. Making assumptions doesn't make truth. Your're guessing just as much as everyone else.

Why fabricate such crap?

hardly fabrication - its a reasonable assumption that there would have been just cause/reason for the bar staff to have run outside to confront Fev as they saw him do something offensive. The CCTV angle showed a glass shopfront which would have suggested that he was visible from inside the shopfront.

or do staff randomly run outside businesses to confront anyone who just might happen to be there? :roll:

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:22 am

4thchicken wrote:

verbs wrote:

4thchicken wrote:

verbs wrote:

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Have you read or heard these patrons comments on the matter? Do they even exist?

that the footage clearly showed a staff member run from inside the bar/shop to confront Fev outside would indicate that it was fairly visible from inside the shop window by patrons (unless of course the business was trading with an empty shop :roll:

)

Fairly. Making assumptions doesn't make truth. Your're guessing just as much as everyone else.

Why fabricate such crap?

hardly fabrication - its a reasonable assumption that there would have been just cause/reason for the bar staff to have run outside to confront Fev as they saw him do something offensive. The CCTV angle showed a glass shopfront which would have suggested that he was visible from inside the shopfront.

or do staff randomly run outside businesses to confront anyone who just might happen to be there? :roll:

Yet this same CCTV footage doesn't actually show Fev pissing. :lol:

Keep guessing. You'll get somewhere eventually.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

SA Blue wrote:

If we drop him, is that considered tankng?

I have a feeling it is.

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Hey Humpy,
I’m not saying it is favourable or even acceptable behaviour, but it is certainly a minor incident. It is offensive and inconvenient to patrons & staff but it causes no real harm. This is on the low end of the indiscretions that happen in a major city on any given Saturday night – by a long way.

It is embarrassing and Fev should know better, but there is a chorus of ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater responses’ in here.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

"Burn the witch!"

TheBluesMuse · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 5270

It's flower grotty, just disgusting. It may be a minor incident in the scheme of things but it shows you a bit about the guys character.

But I too appreciate his talent for the footy field. It just angers me that people can't control themselves and tend act so impulsively....

If it's true

camel · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:09 pm

showbag wrote:

camelboy wrote:

showbag wrote:

Fevola spent the off season being operated on to repair a body that has been decimated for your entertainment value ... and then people get on here and attack his character for a minor incident by today's society's standards (football profile aside). It is disppointing sure, but some people's reactions to this are ludicrous.

Your point about the price footballers pay injury wise and so on for the benefit of the football commnity is well made...

...but, what society are you living in that pissing on a shop window with patrons inside is a "minor incident"? Okay, compared to some other things his transgression could have been worse, but minor, major, whatever, the fact is what he did was totally unacceptable for any member of society. The fact Fevola has a high profile, and a long list of prior embarrassments, makes it even worse.

:shock:

Hey Humpy,
I’m not saying it is favourable or even acceptable behaviour, but it is certainly a minor incident. It is offensive and inconvenient to patrons & staff but it causes no real harm. This is on the low end of the indiscretions that happen in a major city on any given Saturday night – by a long way.

It is embarrassing and Fev should know better, but there is a chorus of ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater responses’ in here.

Fair enough.

Although I'm a bit concerned about verbs' claim about fabricating crap.

I didn't realise Fev did that too?! :shock:

Shoshie · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:10 pm

Fev makes me sick now. I think he is becoming the AFL's biggest attention seeker. I think he should not play the first five matches. He should grow up.

marciblue · **Posted:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:11 pm

I have been one of Fev’s most ardent supporters and defenders. He is my favourite Carlton player by far (Judd included)

I am a tad undecided how to feel about all this. I have always been an advocate that players are over scrutinised and too much is expected from them from an ethical and moral point of view. They are pressured to be a type of public figure that is not warranted or justified IMO. If any player goes out and has a big night on the piss and plays up, it isn’t a big deal AFAIC. These guys are at an age when I was flowering up a lot worse then that and no-one ever pulled me up on my behaviour. As long as Fev and every Carlton player turns up to every game and gives the very best then I couldn’t really give a sh!t what they do in their spare time. Like another poster wrote, what are they supposed to do? Stay home and knit???

This, however, is countered by the negative media exposure and distraction the incident has from a club perspective. The timing could not be worse. The damage to the momentum of our build up is obvious and detracts from what is a massive moment in our progression.

I love the Fev, he is a great player and I love to go to the footy to watch him but I am afraid that this incident is simply too selfish and contemptuous too shrug off. The incident itself doesn’t irk me but what it means leading into our first game of the season from a club perspective (if I’m making any sense)

I hope he runs out this Thursday. He should be fined and perhaps removed from the leadership group but he should play. I hope that fronting up to Judd in particular and trying to explain and excuse himself for this latest indiscretion will somehow, if at all possible, make him realise what impact his poor choices make. I am hoping that having a player of Judd’s standing and reputation places the necessary anxiety and guilt for it really to make a difference to him. The other players won’t matter as much as he probably doesn’t feel or identify their authority having come through with these players for years but Judd is the key (when is he not!)

This is a massive game on Thursday. The football world has focussed on our club all pre-season and most are probably looking (and hoping) for us to slip up and lose. It is such an important game. We need to win. And we need Fev to do that

TheBluesMuse · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 5270

We could play Waite up there and have Eddie playing only in the forward, reckon we could possibly make up for Fev's absence.

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