Liberatore tanking talk: Karma Pg26

choo · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:03 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Didn't one of our players (Scotland maybe?) rack up similar stats to Johnstone in that last game in our back half?

Heath Scotland

41 disps (24 kicks 17 hballs) and 8 marks in Rd 22 31-pt loss to Melbourne at the MCG (2 Sep 2007)

Travis Johnstone

42 disps (35 kicks 7 hballs), 9 marks and a goal in Rd 22 31-pt win over Carlton at the MCG (2 Sep 2007)

Brownlow votes round 22
Melbourne v Carlton (MCG)
3. T Johnstone (M)
2. H Scotland (Ca)
1. N Brown (M)

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:04 pm

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bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:05 pm

Just on SEN news:

"Carlton is considering legal action."

Who knows if that's true?

Let sleeping DOGS lie.

Great statement if it scares the shit out of that down and out loser.

Hey Libba...haven't you learned that you shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. Fool.

AGRO...thanks for the Sunbury update. What a joke!

Libba can't hide from the Navy Blue Army!

Gilly34 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:05 pm

It seems a leopard never changes its spots.....dirty tactics on the field have translated to dirty tactics off the field.....looks like a charaterlogical flaw for Libba :wink:

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

choo wrote:

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Didn't one of our players (Scotland maybe?) rack up similar stats to Johnstone in that last game in our back half?

Heath Scotland

41 disps (24 kicks 17 hballs) and 8 marks in Rd 22 31-pt loss to Melbourne at the MCG (2 Sep 2007)

Travis Johnstone

42 disps (35 kicks 7 hballs), 9 marks and a goal in Rd 22 31-pt win over Carlton at the MCG (2 Sep 2007)

Brownlow votes round 22
Melbourne v Carlton (MCG)
3. T Johnstone (M)
2. H Scotland (Ca)
1. N Brown (M)

Hutchy would twist that around and say that we tanked, Scotland didn't kick a goal!

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

Mil Hanna wrote:

woof wrote:

Mil Hanna wrote:

I just thought I'd put this in the correct thread as Biffin seems to want to talk about Carlton all the time!

Maybe he's Melbourne's version of our great Melvey?? :lol:

Biffin wrote:

Yes we tanked, thats right. give me a break.

you are sinking and trying to drag down whoever you can.

Mil Hanna let me answer your question - Has anyone on the coaching panel mentioned, even in a "jocular" way, actually made a statement that we were trying to lose? No.

well actually yes, listen to libba's interview.

Evidence of tanking. Let me see. How about not letting a player within 3 km of Travis Johnstone in the game of shame. Of course why would you want to man him up or shut him down as Travis has shown he loves it physical and playing someone on him to shut him down would always prove futile. In the end it was only 42 possesions, in a year of sh1teness for Travis as well.

Assistant coach jokingly say 'tanks very much', players are not prepared as well for matches towards the end of the season.

Is that enough for you.
I think your press conference is at noon.

I expect the press conference to be like 99% of press conferences, say nothing and bore everyone.

Have some balls and do an interview with Hutchy yourselves Carlton. Won't happen as they will be burnt to a crisp.

Carlton will be preparing the mother of all 'political' statements, trying not to flower this up.

Here is my serious guess at what will be said.

"We categorically deny Tony Libratore's allegations that Brett Ratten and the coaching staff would deliberately try to lose any football match carlton plays in".

"These are Tony's opinions and we refute any such suggestion Carlton would prepare to lose an AFL match"

Keep these on hand and compare if you will.

Be nice if they could answer the specific examples Libba gives.

I could write that for them as well - "We refute Tony's allegations a fellow coach said jokingly 'tanks very much' as he has a speech impediment. In regards to the last round, and not letting a player within 3 km of Travis Johnstone, we refute this also, as Travis has shown he loves it physical and playing someone on him to shut him down would always prove futile. In the end it was only 42 possesions"

""As for not putting in as much effort to prepare the players, we were very tired and sleepy at that time".

I reckon Derryn Hinch should host the press conference.

This is worse than the M&Ms debacle, whole club is losing all respectability.

Me thinks that ol Biff should have a listen to the press conference just quietly. Travis Jonstone had 41 possessions and wasn't tagged in that game. Well, Heath Scotland had 39 possessions also playing loose man in defence in that very same game.

Why didn't the Dees man him up hey Biff? :garthp:

They did not need to man up on Scotland they won and they were well in front from the first minute of the game. Tell me why they should have manned up on Scotland when they were 6 goals up after the first quarter? I'm interested.

Have a listen to the press conference :wink:

I heard the press conference. Why would they need to man up on Scotland?

Effes · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:14 pm

Beautifully handled Swann

Someone should remind Rita of the Ken Judge and Don Scott incident where Scott suggested the Hawks tank.

Rita why weren't you complaining about tanking when Hawthorn were able to lose to Richmond in Round 21 2005 after at one stage being up by 7 goals. :lol:

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4775

That Rita on SEN is a moron.

She tries to play the dumb stupid ethical female on that show. ( by the way I am a female so I know what she is trying to do, she gives us a bad name with how she carries on)

I felt like ringing her up to give her a piece of my mind, but did not have her number at the time.

The good thing though is the Harf and the other guy (Finey whoever) gave it to her, then she changed her tune very quickly.. I have to say the guys on SEN were fantastic in backing us up especially Harf.

The footy show said mind your own business when questionned as whether they paid the drawf weezel any money. Basically they got defensive (the footy show that is), so he must have been paid.

WroutPinBall · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:16 pm

this is true... I've heard that Libba spends most of his free time with rubber gloves on obsessively cleaning and dusting his house... thats just weird... what a tool.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:17 pm

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23374017-23211,00.html

Jez1966 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:42 pm **Posts:** 2833

Apparently Rita is married to Mark Robinson also on SEN and the HUN

Mil Hanna · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:18 pm

woof wrote:

Mil Hanna wrote:

woof wrote:

Mil Hanna wrote:

I just thought I'd put this in the correct thread as Biffin seems to want to talk about Carlton all the time!

Maybe he's Melbourne's version of our great Melvey?? :lol:

Biffin wrote:

Yes we tanked, thats right. give me a break.

you are sinking and trying to drag down whoever you can.

Mil Hanna let me answer your question - Has anyone on the coaching panel mentioned, even in a "jocular" way, actually made a statement that we were trying to lose? No.

well actually yes, listen to libba's interview.

Evidence of tanking. Let me see. How about not letting a player within 3 km of Travis Johnstone in the game of shame. Of course why would you want to man him up or shut him down as Travis has shown he loves it physical and playing someone on him to shut him down would always prove futile. In the end it was only 42 possesions, in a year of sh1teness for Travis as well.

Assistant coach jokingly say 'tanks very much', players are not prepared as well for matches towards the end of the season.

Is that enough for you.
I think your press conference is at noon.

I expect the press conference to be like 99% of press conferences, say nothing and bore everyone.

Have some balls and do an interview with Hutchy yourselves Carlton. Won't happen as they will be burnt to a crisp.

Carlton will be preparing the mother of all 'political' statements, trying not to flower this up.

Here is my serious guess at what will be said.

"We categorically deny Tony Libratore's allegations that Brett Ratten and the coaching staff would deliberately try to lose any football match carlton plays in".

"These are Tony's opinions and we refute any such suggestion Carlton would prepare to lose an AFL match"

Keep these on hand and compare if you will.

Be nice if they could answer the specific examples Libba gives.

I could write that for them as well - "We refute Tony's allegations a fellow coach said jokingly 'tanks very much' as he has a speech impediment. In regards to the last round, and not letting a player within 3 km of Travis Johnstone, we refute this also, as Travis has shown he loves it physical and playing someone on him to shut him down would always prove futile. In the end it was only 42 possesions"

""As for not putting in as much effort to prepare the players, we were very tired and sleepy at that time".

I reckon Derryn Hinch should host the press conference.

This is worse than the M&Ms debacle, whole club is losing all respectability.

Me thinks that ol Biff should have a listen to the press conference just quietly. Travis Jonstone had 41 possessions and wasn't tagged in that game. Well, Heath Scotland had 39 possessions also playing loose man in defence in that very same game.

Why didn't the Dees man him up hey Biff? :garthp:

They did not need to man up on Scotland they won and they were well in front from the first minute of the game. Tell me why they should have manned up on Scotland when they were 6 goals up after the first quarter? I'm interested.

Have a listen to the press conference :wink:

I heard the press conference. Why would they need to man up on Scotland?

Because he had so many effective disposals. Why would we need to man up on Johnstone? Do we always need to play into the other team's hands?

Hang on, that would truly be tanking! :lol:

When we play ninthmond in the first round I hope we man up on the Bowden brothers

GWS · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:19 pm

Why the flower does anyone listen to SEN...?

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:20 pm

Fevola wrote:

That Rita on SEN is a moron.

She tries to play the dumb stupid ethical female on that show. ( by the way I am a female so I know what she is trying to do, she gives us a bad name with how she carries on)

I felt like ringing her up to give her a piece of my mind, but did not have her number at the time.

The good thing though is the Harf and the other guy (Finey whoever) gave it to her, then she changed her tune very quickly.. I have to say the guys on SEN were fantastic in backing us up especially Harf.

The footy show said mind your own business when questionned as whether they paid the drawf weezel any money. Basically they got defensive (the footy show that is), so he must have been paid.

He Fevola, can you tell me what Harf was saying by way of defence please?

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:21 pm

Jez1966 wrote:

Apparently Rita is married to Mark Robinson also on SEN and the HUN

Robbo isn't married as far as I am aware.

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:22 pm

Mil Hanna wrote:

When we play ninthmond in the first round I hope we man up on the Bowden brothers

Don't worry about the Bowden's - apparently Terry's told them that they will be playing the entire year in the two regardless of form - no chance of a recall due to another youth policy.

CK95 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:24 pm

Tony Labiatore.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:27 pm

woof wrote:

camelboy wrote:

No draft = No tanking.

It's pretty simple really.

No draft = No hope for some of the 16 clubs soon to be 18.

No hope means no club.

Clubs go missing means less money for TV rights.

Less money means etc. etc. etc.

Salary cap and draft must stay.

Priority pick is the tank carrott and needs to go.

You really can't get more simple than that.

Why is there an incentive to tank? To get the earliest pick possible so a club can select the best kids possible.

Okay, say the priority picks are removed ... you reckon if 15th and 16th are playing off in R22 with the result to determine who gets #1 that there won't be a mention of tanking?

Maybe the lottery system has more merit than I first thought, but either way, having a the current draft system as the only real means of injecting new talent into a club's playing list puts clubs in a position where losing can provide more benefits than winning.

I hate to draw comparisons with another code, but the NRL has a salary cap and no draft. How much tanking talk do you hear about in the NRL? While their system is far from perfect, it at least saves clubs from being faced with the potential of there being an incentive to lose.

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4775

Harf basically when asked if Carlton had cheated said the following:

- NO
- Every club that finished bottom 4 prepare for the next season
- We were not good enough to win no matter who was playing
- Players dont do these sorts of things
- What is Weezels drawfs agenda ? He reckons he got paid for the interview. Also reckons trying to get exposure because coaching out in the country will not get him noticed
- There is no such thing as tanking, if you are on the bottom you are not good. Thats it
- Attacked a caller who said its crap how people bet on these games, and then tanking happens. Harf said everything Carlton did was out in the open, its not like players were dropped on the day of game, it was clearly specified on the team sheets, so people have no excuses on betting as they know what they are in for
- Basically said that playing Hammo was a classic point in what Carlton were trying to achieve.
- Harf was emphatic in that we were transparent in the whole process in declaring straight up we were playing youngsters and that players that had no future would not be playing. Youngsters needed to be tested. We did not hide anything. Ratten said this all along
- Real match fixers are teams that are making finals and will not alter ladder position, and losing on purpose to make money.

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:33 pm

In the case of a round 22 clash between 15th and 16th there's the stain of a wooden spoon as an incentive to win.

I'll bet if Ninethmond had of beaten the saints, we would've beaten Melbourne

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