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A nothing story really. Gets Libba a bit of attention but offers nothing concrete and if the AFL investigates as a result then clubs like Hawthorn and Collingwood will be dragged in as well.

Will all blow over very quickly.


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Don't forget that Hutchy also had the 'exclusive' footage of Libba arriving for his interview for the Essendon* coaching job.

Sadly, I think Hutchy has taken advantage of Libba in the last few months. I would not be surprised at all if he actually initiated the train of thought to appeal to Libba to 'spill the beans'.

People like that prey on the weak and desperate.

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Deano Supremo wrote:
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So Mandy,

if Swann came out tomorrow and intimated that Collingwood tanked, you wouldn't feel at all aggrieved? Wouldn't think it displayed a lack of character on his part? Wouldn't think that he was a traitorous bastard for spilling his guts to a muckracking 'journo'?

Pigs arse you wouldn't.


Not like this reaction, no.

Look how many people are online right now. How many were on when it was announced Gibbs had resigned?

Maybe it's the culture bred from the bad times in the past few years but you lot seem to love dwelling on the negative. If you can't proclaim "oh woe is me" then you're just not happy.

FFS - this should be an exciting time for your club right now. Lots of cash, competant coach, good playing list.....

Anyone who thinks a person of the calibre of Libba is going to be your downfall is just a pessimist and perhaps should go barrack for Richmond.


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Sadly, I think Hutchy has taken advantage of Libba in the last few months. I would not be surprised at all if he actually initiated the train of thought to appeal to Libba to spill the beans.

Well, he did say that Hutchy contacted him, not the other way around. It was clear that Hutchy was leading him.

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I think this story is a really a sad reflection on how Libba's life has hit rock bottom more then anythign else.


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Gibbs was in no danger of resigning, so when he re-signed it was hardly a rush-to-TC occasion.

People are pissed off, and have every right to be pissed off, over Liberatore's lack of character and obvious vindictiveness. He was dumped by the new coach, so he flings shit at the new coach via Hutchy.

Just like when he was overlooked by his old club, he flung shit at his old club via the media.

The guy is a turd, and right now he's attacking the Carlton Football Club. As a collingwood supporter, it's understandable that you can take a dispassionate view of this.

But I can't. This guy is trying to harm my club because he probably believes he should still be on the coaching panel. That's not a shrug-your-shoulders kind of thing.

Oh, I'm still convinced that if an ex-employee of Collingwood accused the pies of throwing games on the footy show, you'd think exactly the same way.


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Sadly, I think Hutchy has taken advantage of Libba in the last few months. I would not be surprised at all if he actually initiated the train of thought to appeal to Libba to spill the beans.

Well, he did say that Hutchy contacted him, not the other way around. It was clear that Hutchy was leading him.


Well there you go, I haven't even seen the interview and drew that conclusion. :?

Hutchy's reputation preceeds him.

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Don't forget that Hutchy also had the 'exclusive' footage of Libba arriving for his interview for the Essendon* coaching job.

Sadly, I think Hutchy has taken advantage of Libba in the last few months. I would not be surprised at all if he actually initiated the train of thought to appeal to Libba to 'spill the beans'.

People like that prey on the weak and desperate.


I'm confused. Who was preying on who?

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how insignificant must he feel to stoop so low and create a headline.

i hope the club do not respond to his dribble, and laugh it off.

Honest hey?? gee i wonder...


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We all know we tanked. The AFL knows we tanked. John Smith knows we tanked. The Footy Show viewers know we tanked. Libba knows we tanked. Even John Howard probably knows we tanked...though he'll probably deny any knowledge of it happening, unless knowing we tanked makes him more popular with voters in which case he'll agree we tanked.

No-one can prove we tanked.


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Josh Kaplan wrote:
I think this story is a really a sad reflection on how Libba's life has hit rock bottom more then anythign else.



His first wife has taken him to the cleaners (had to sell his big house in Essendon*) didnt get the price he wanted.

Made to look a fool by his old club because he made himself look like a fool.

Currently flowering up his Coaching role at Sunbury. ( :roll: at the job he is doing not the club or area). :wink:

He is completely past his use by date - as KISS are proving to be at this very moment on the Footy Show. :roll:

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wow how shit are Kiss? I already knew Libba gagged fat ones


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Did anybody else noticed that Libba's chin looked like a knob??


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As a collingwood supporter, it's understandable that you can take a dispassionate view of this.


Disappointing.

I may not be a Carlton supporter but I am a member of this board. I watched the footage and am entitled to my opinion. If you can't keep from turning this into a Collingwood muck raking competition then you clearly haven't read my comments.

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mandy wrote:
Tanking is a most disgusting and repugnant part of our game. But it happens. It has to happen due to the bullshit system the AFL has set up for all clubs.

Collingwood did it. Carlton did it.

We're not the only ones and we won't be the last.

But please, you guys having a go a Libba for saying it out loud is kinda pathetic. Should we go back and count the number of tanking threads this board has generated in the past 2-3 years?


I don't doubt that you're right and this was a good post, but for the Libba part.

Personally, I think that the interview was a beat up by Hutchy, where he repeatedly asked the same questions in different ways, until he got the answer he wanted. Libba just wants the publicity and the $ he was undoubtedly paid for his comments.

Libba has now officially joined the pantheon of bitter ex-footballers who think that the game owes them a living for the rest of their lives. He can't get a job, so he'll grab a headline.

He may have been in the box, but he gave no definitive "evidence" of tanking, despite the ridiculous claims of Hutchy and TFS. He gave an opinion based on a "feeling". The interview would actionable at law, but for the fact that it would only drag the issue through the Courts and the papers and it would be better for Carlton (and probably the AFL) if it was quickly forgotten.

Libba claimed that Carlton played players last year that weren't ready for senior footy, were ambiguous about on field success for the last few weeks and sent others off for operations. Who doesn't do this at the end of a season regardless of a priority pick? The point in playing youngsters and rehibilitating established players is to plan for the future.

His comments also overlook the playing of Walker (whilst injured) and Whitnall, who admittedly was probably just getting "thank you" games.

In the last 5 years Collingwood, Carlton, North, Richmond, Essendon*, Melbourne, Hawthorn and St Kilda have all benefitted from the priority pick system. I have no doubt that all these clubs ensured that they wouldn't miss out.

Paul Roos was a bit rich with his sniping last week, given his clubs history of financial and other aid from the AFL. Not to mention the fact that he clearly did what was alleged, it is just that none of us really care.

The story about Libba was a beat up of no value and it would be sad for him if he wasn't so obnoxiously bitter and pathetic. It every ex-footballer with a gripe got air time of that type, there would be a lot of litigation to follow....


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I find it interesting (but not surprising) that is was Libba, I don't really see Barry Mitchell or Dennis Pagan rushing to claim this story as truth either - only Liberatore himself.

I can see where Hutchy is coming from, he wants to be the man to "break" the latest exclusive stories yet has to go fishin' for them. If I ever see this man outside a football ground, I will be sure to give him none of my time and a one fingered salute...

We can all rant and rave and say that we knew a particular team has "tanked" in a particular season. We (and other teams) have played by the rules - and to prove that we have tanked in an AFL inquiry or in a Court of Law is almost impossible - way too many variables...

I applaud the Carlton FC for responding to some of the claims stating that Bret Thorton required the operation and also that Fev had an operation and was unable to run for 2.5 months. I would not be surprised if we come out with a more concrete statement in the media on Friday morning.

Personally I cannot see how the AFL, or any other organisation will be able to PROVE that this is the case, it opens a massive can of worms if the AFL end up looking to penalise us in any way.

If Hutchy is so hell bent on approaching Libba for his version of events, why does he not head down to Punt Road and ask some people down there if Richmond "tanked" any games?

I look forward to seeing Hutchison report any stories when Carlton are back to a SUCCESSFUL club, whether that be via an individual player award or as we all hope for our own sides - a premiership.

Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel for "sensational journalism" Hutchy, and take your mate Patrick Smith with you.

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Gibbs was in no danger of resigning, so when he re-signed it was hardly a rush-to-TC occasion.

People are pissed off, and have every right to be pissed off, over Liberatore's lack of character and obvious vindictiveness. He was dumped by the new coach, so he flings shit at the new coach via Hutchy.

Just like when he was overlooked by his old club, he flung shit at his old club via the media.

The guy is a turd, and right now he's attacking the Carlton Football Club. As a collingwood supporter, it's understandable that you can take a dispassionate view of this.

But I can't. This guy is trying to harm my club because he probably believes he should still be on the coaching panel. That's not a shrug-your-shoulders kind of thing.

Oh, I'm still convinced that if an ex-employee of Collingwood accused the pies of throwing games on the footy show, you'd think exactly the same way.


I'd bet that an ex-employee of Collingwood wouldn't get the chance to air those types of grievances about the Pies on TFS as Eddie (who still has influence with those guys) wouldn't allow it.


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that's not what I meant, mandy.

I'm a carlton supporter, and hence passionate about that club. You're a collingwood supporter, and therefore not passionate about carlton. That's no slur - it's just a realisation that as a non-carlton person you have the ability to apply more common sense and rationality to a carlton issue.

I'm blinded by love, you're not. Doesn't make your opinions any less worthy - it just means that we come at this from different perspectives. No-one would be surprised to find a pies supporter would be less affected by libba's actions than a carlton supporter.

Relax... I don't think I've ever tipped a bucket on any non-carlton supporter here simply because they're unfortunate enough not to barrack for the blues, and I hope I never will.


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talking loud and saying nothing.

every team that sent players off for operations before the end of the season is tanking. I dont think that means just carlton.

sheedy losing to tiges in the last round then playing them the next week on the other side of the finals draw and thrashing them.


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