I probably don't know as much about it as some professional running coaches. By all accounts the one at CFC is on the ball.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

IMO the more experienced the coach the less injuries a team seems to get – Malthouse, Sheedy & (I was no fan any more) Pagan all seemed to have better luck, whereas remember Brittain – something like 18 players could not be selected in his last game….

Cazzesman, - I always enjoy your insights - I do not know your medical background but let me tell you having to have an arthrocope at just 19 yrs does not sound like a ‘no big deal’ to me. I have had three and every time the supposed ‘cleanup’ took more and more of my cartilage till now I need a replacement knee!

I have written this before - Hammer needs to be protected. IMO he could be a star but I am really frightened this match committee will crucify him before he has time to complete his physical development.

Hammer has already had a bruised testicle and now floating ‘bits’ in his knee need removing and the season has not even started. Play him around the ground by all means but FFS don’t sacrifice him in the centre bounce when playing against seniors – at 19, he needs to get some years into him.

IMO Ratts will need some steely help with overall list/man management otherwise injuries could well rob us of a fantastic future.

I won't split hairs here but my understanding is it was a simple procedure to remove (i.e suction) some minor items from within the knee joint. The cartilage and ligaments are fine. I believe it was not a full on knee wrenching arthroscope. There was apparently little to no swelling or bruising after the op, hence he should be fine and back in full training in a week or two. Hence the 'no big deal' comment. I have had 3 arthroscopes myself so I know the deal and the pain. It was suggested he will be back in full training in 2 weeks and based on my experience I took that to mean the op was minor and hardly invasive.

Yes I fully agree that we should give the kids time and ease them in but when it is all said and done the Hammer was recruited to play in the ruck so he has to have some time in the role.

In the practice games he has played 30-40 minutes in a game so that isn't being over-worked. He is not being played like a draft horse, nor are any other kids. Ratts is very mindful of the amount of playing time the kids have.

Hammer has had a brilliant pre-season and is extremely fit. The match committee won't crucify him but they have to give him some chance to grow into the role. The club knows he is a 10-15 year prospect and will treat him as such.

The thing about these 'Injury posts' & "Are the club doing the right thing?" etc etc is this ................

Those in charge this year, in both Coaching and Fitness are completely different from last year. Cordy is an elite fitness manager who is highly regarded world wide. Mr Pratt went after the best and he got him.

I just get peeved with all the couch potatoes 2nd guessing every little thing that happens at the club at the drop of a hat.

It seems posters are happy to build mountains out of molehills at every turn.

Could the club get better in all areas?.....................of course, couldn't every club!................

Is the club aiming for 'Worlds best practice?............most certainly!...........But these things take time...................

With time comes the ability to obtain financial stability, resources, equipment and expertise. Some luck along the way also helps.




Now while I'm ranting.............the following thoughts are more an overview of TC.................... but sometimes...................I say sometimes............

Some posts are formed poorly and the content lacks any real substance or evidence to support the argument. It's often the case that 'statements are made as if they are Fact' rather that a question being posed along the lines of "Is this happening because of this, this and that.'

We all have opinions but opinions are not facts.

Sometimes the 'Cause and effect' bare no resemblance to each other and yet some posters attempt to draw the long bow and look for sinister answers and conclusions. The Stevens recent neck issue is a 110% classic example of what I am on about. It was a complete and utter beatup of the highest order.

Henny 'flowering' Penny is all to much alive and well on this site and it wears thin on me unfortunately.

SE 'flowering ' N has alot to be blamed for IMHO. Their agenda for grandstanding is so obvious and yet supporters still fall for it. Not only do they fall for it they wallow in it. The gossip, the rumor and the innuendo is just plain sad sometimes.

SEN has to fill 24/7 and so they take the smallest particle and beat the absolute suitcase out of it until it becomes bigger that Ber Hur. As a result I think it rubs off on sites like this one. The desire to have the breaking news is secondary to the notion that there may not be any substance to the story. It's all 'Break the rumor now, check it later' journalism.

Some conclusions drawn with limited or no facts are similar to statistics in politics. Depending who manipulates the numbers they can make the answer and the result anything they like in the short term.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Paying members and supporters aren't as apathetic towards how the club operates these days. You can thank Elliott for that. The microscope is focused on everything and I reckon it's great.

Why the hell doesn't Coutts answer directly the issues raised online instead of letting them fester? GET WITH THE TIMES COUTTSY!!

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There's so much I could say...

I think sometimes we can lose sight of how far we have come already...

The club, behind the scenes, has appartently changed dramatically.

The influence of Judd in many areas behind the scenes has been fantastic and immediate. The others players are watching his every move and pumping him for information about reaching the elite level. I've heard he never bags anything about West Coast and has mentioned Cousins has the player who taught him everything about preparation, diet, recoverey etc (yeah, yeah...insert joke here, but interesting to hear).

Pratt and Swann's changes of key people has seen to be exciting by all areas of the club.

Give it some time to bed in - there are still some issues being tackled - and watch with interest and confidence.

From the little things, big things come...

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"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..." Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

Because if he answered every little rumor and bit of scuttlebutt that falls out of the front bar he would never get any work done.

He would be on the phone to SEN 24/7.

Yes supporters are nolonger apathetic, which is terrific. And the microscope should be on but as I have suggested, fact and fiction is to often confused and intertwined. That's my point.

And when Swanny comes on SEN and states the facts KB tends not the hear the words because it doesn't suit the stations agenda. KB still lets Smith ramble on without pulling him up on the facts and the truth of the matter.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

A 1/2 dozen posts a week putting out a few spot fires here and there would hardly be all time consuming. Let's not over dramatize things.. Media manager means MEDIA manager!!

Who gives a flying @#$%&! what KB and Fatprick babble about... most Carlton supporters think they're irrelevent now anyway I reckon

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There's so much I could say...

Totally agree, but I would add one extra comment. GIVE THE KIDS TIME TO GROW. Remember we have got the youngest and least experienced list in the competition.

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I need some new conspiracy theories; all my others have come true.

SV - I queried (in the Hammer/Tex injury thread) the management of Hammer's knee, but I don't think we know enough specific information to get too worked up about the professionalism of the club's new medical/fitness staff just yet.

However, you're obviously passionate about the club, and I agree with the above quote from your post. And from what Cazzesman has said today, it sounds like the club is working to achieve exactly what you are asking for.

If the current medical/fitness team do not perform in 2008, they will be held accountable, don't worry about that...

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

And yet we still get our knickers in a twist over the things they say....and by debating them left right and centre the truth often gets lost.

KB + Patrick combined with internet forum posters = a game of Chinese Whispers IMO.

That's great news Cazzesman. Given that you pride yourself on your posts being pure from rumour and containing only fact, can you please back up your claim that Carlton are currently 'most certainly' aiming for world's best practice in injury management?

Apart from the appointment of Cordy (which is a fitness issue, not a medical issue), I am not aware of any other change the club has made in injury management. I'd be interested to hear.

Thanks

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

I hear you guys kick and scream all day over threads being hijacked - but you're going on about Kevin Bartlett and fatprick in a thread that should be about what Carlton is doing in the field of injury managment.

Do as I say, not as I do?

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Perhaps you missed this bit while I Hijacking the thread by having KB entering stage left.

Could the club get better in all areas?.....................of course, couldn't every club!................

Is the club aiming for 'Worlds best practice?............most certainly!...........But these things take time...................

With time comes the ability to obtain financial stability, resources, equipment and expertise. Some luck along the way also helps.

As a matter of interest the club have also appointed additional fitness people to support Cordy in the rehab area (there is an interaction here with the medical staff I would have thought) and purely medical people to support the club Doctor plus masseuses. I don't have their names or the number of hours they work at the club but they are there.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Well that's not @#$%&! good enough!

Good to hear that there are extra staff on board.

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Thanks Cazz.

BTW - The rant was well compiled.

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Hey Rocky; there are too many rabbits ... in China.

Cazzesman, if I could work out how I would highlight your reply but thankyou for it anyway. FWIW you have made me feel a whole lot happier. Cheers

speak for yourself



I assume that in terms of the drafting of the 'athletic' types (e.g. benji, hammer, aisake, etc.) that extra study goes into their physical capabilities/limitations and history of injury, before we call their number out

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There's so much I could say...

No.........................normally we just wing it, but there's an

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I feel for you Cazzesman. I really do.

I think you should take a break from this site until the season starts or else you will get driven mad.

Best suggestion I have read in a long time.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”