Now now... Deledio and Tambling are guns... arent they ?

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

That's what pissed me off the most - no "allegedly", "generally thought to" etc., - I think its outrageous.

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"Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot about puppies." - Gene Hill

I like the courage of her convictions.

the article is pretty spot on.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

I don't mind Caro's articles in general, irrespective of whether they are good, bad or indiffrent to the Blues.

the reality is simple ... the organ grinder and his monkey will have to prove tanking actually took place ... how is this likely to happen ?

if the AFL embarked on a journey of discovery and came to the conclusion that tanking took place ... what could they do ? .... take away MK et al ... fine us, again ...kick us out of future draft picks ? .... not likely

I don't think the AFL would be that stupid to open this can of worms as it would only lead to unhappiness ... for the AFL that is ..... court challenge to the legitimacy of the AFL not to mention the real big one ...restraint of trade !

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S M C , S F L

We played within the rules did we not?


Tanking is an issue when teams yo-yo (Melbourne), or have a "down" year to cherry-pick the draft (Collingwood). When a team is genuinely the worst performed over a 5 year period then why shouldn't they look to build a side for the future and be afforded that opportunity?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Something about this paragraph just doesn't seem right... surely she could have squeezed something in about Harms and Sheldon in '79.

You can pass on Franklin once (hey even the Hawks did) but TWICE

And NEVER forget Fiora ahead of Pavlich


Did the Tiges get Judd in the end? I heard they had the best offer on the table!

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

Apparently the first sentence we got was not enough - everyone wants to have another go.

Come to think of it the AFL did have another go by reaming us with a retrospective change of Draft Rules in 2006 which flowered us to Picks 1 and 17 instead of Picks 1 and 3.

Its like shooting the bejesus out of Ned Kelly in the Glenrowan Hotel nursing him back to health and then hanging him.

Oh yeah they did that didnt they.

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Winston Churchill

I would rather say we tanked, rather than saying we're shit.

Yes we could've beat collingwood...if we wanted to, but why should be waste Kruezer and Judd on them.

Who cares we tanked. and about ratten. he had a job to do, play like you can win a game, but don't win any...perfectly done ratts.

We are building a premiership team, not a finals team. Everyone plays to win flags and not games.

I don't want us to tank this year, unless we are totally out of it, then i say...tank away.

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Some nobs on SEN are re itterating what Caro said in her article about why isnt Carlton being investigated for match fixing (for tanking last year) if Roos is ?'

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Eh... I could care less what that sour old prune thinks about Carlton, her feelings for our club have been set in stone from her family and that's that.

She is generally a pretty good investigative journo - where she falls down horribly is her inability to set her own personal feelings aside and just write objectively on a subject which touches on one of her 'hot' topics. Carlton is just one of those.

If she was going to be objective about a discussion on tanking, she would have included Wallace's comments from last year, Collingwoods blatant tanking in 05 and the Roos doing the same in 2006 (as some said here Hawthorn took full advantage a couple of years ago and are lauded for it).

Poor old Caro can't let an article go by without a personal shot at the Blues and once again she's let herself down badly.

Anyone else notice how the more blatantly anti-Carlton mediots (Wilson, Smith) are becoming increasingly hysterical about the Blues? They're verging on defamation at the moment. Any coincidence with our rise from the ashes? Think not.

Knobs = SEN.


Not a contradiction in terms.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Might have something to do with there actually being evidence against Roos, and none against us.

It's not bordering on defamation, it IS defamation. Public prejudices are so skewed that people in power can say whatever they want about us without consequences. Eg, what happened to Brian Waldron after he admitted to tanking? Nothing. What about Terry Wallet? Zippo.

But what makes me happy is that it's OUR administration that's showing these nobheads what professionalism means and not reducing themselves to their level.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Surely the proof of our tanking will be proven with the comming season. If Carlton was throwing games for the last two months of the season, we can simply turn the tap on and win. If we tanked then we will win the next two months of games and sit atop the ladder undefeated, after the first two months with eight wins.

After all tanking means we could have won, but were not trying, isn't that right? So Caro must expect us to be a serious force this year, it will be interesting to see where she tips us to finish at the end of the year. We must be top eight with a chance at the flag, cause we would have won the last eight games if we tried.

Honesty I'm sick of hearing this crap, as others have pointed out five seasons of appalling results, including three wooden spoons surely indicate that the team was not up to it.

There is a difference between it not being in our best interests to win and tanking. To me tanking implies you are good enough to win, but don't. Winning about 20 games in 6 years probably suggests to anyone with half a brain that you are not good enough to win.

Coming off wins twice last year and then playing good sides who took us seriously because of our winning form, we got hammered (Geelong round 2 and Hawthorn mid year).

After years of butchering the draft, then been suspended from it, and in the middle of the mess making one of the all time worst coaching appointments, I'm surprised anyone could finish below us on the ladder.

However someone managed to. Maybe they were tanking (or maybe they are just really crap).

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As far as I am concerned the AFL not only owed us one by raping us of the Priority Pick in 2002, they owed us another one by so dishonourably thieving it from us in 2006 just as we had finished on the bottom for 2 consecutive seasons.

Wilson conveniently ignores this point in her articles.

We have paid the AFL sanctioned penalty for our supposed crimes (and then some ) yet it is always dragged up again and its implied that the AFL went easy on us.

Wilson is only carrying on about this because her beloved Richmond missed out on a PP in 2007 yet if she does raise this point then she paints herself in a corner by not raising Carlton's loss of a first round PP in 2006.

Completely biased and a convenient selection of facts to back up her gin sodden labours.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Let's not forget Wallet's admission that they pretty much tanked that last game too.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

I'd like to take out a big QC and whack her around the head with it.

After a record embarrasing performance against Brisbane where the coach was sacked mid-week, how could you relistically oppose making wholesale changes to the team, including trying out younger players for an extended period (something most Carlton supporters had been calling for, for years) and having players trialled in different positions.

Surely this was the only thing Carlton could expect to gain from the last 6 games with a new coach.

In fact, apart from the North game, we were far more competitive in the other 5 games than we had been for the previous 5 games. So I would argue that we were a better team in the last 6 weeks and probably unlucky not to have won a couple.

JUDD as well we didn't though

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tanking.. 9/11 conspiracies.. whats the difference?

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Initially, when I read the article by CW, I thought to myself that it was a fair article but your argument has tipped the scales.

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