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I noticed that Murphy changed his orange shockers back to white for the second half. I dont think we'll see those orange ones again.


White boots are pretty "out there".


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Pfeiffer my pick for the Blues, with Hampson also showing very good signs.

I think Edwards will be okay but must involve himself in game more. May be a type of player who will benefit from being a go-to forward. Can take a mark and is courageous.

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Hampson is so very very promising. :-D

He times his leaps in the ruck pretty well for a bloke who hasn't been in the system very long which shows he has the capacity to also learn the flight of the ball in a marking contest. Kicked some lovely little passes also.

Pfeiffer was totally in amongst it and was my second positive.

I don't care that Murphy had a shocker, I know he can do better.

Hampson was just so pleasing....I can just see how much of an impact he can make in the future.

Russell? nowheretobeseen.

Was so stoked for thornton kicking those goals...yay for him. The poor bugger has been circumstantially stuck at FB for so long I just wish him all the joy in the world.

I was so pleased to see everyone get a go. If Pagan was still around I doubt Hamspon would have been given a chance yet and to be honest he didn't show much in the reserves but it just goes to show that some players can thrive at this level even when their form in the twos/threes doesn't indicate it...and totally good on Ratts for giving the youngens a try.

i'm quite pleased anyway..i don't have high hopes for us this year so i'm happy enough.

Still can't get over Hampson

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Hey guys didn't see the game. Can someone tell me how Carrot's disposal was? Cheers.


ok about a 5/10 , on par with most others, Murph was about 3/10...


unfortunately his kicking will never improve.


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Hey guys didn't see the game. Can someone tell me how Carrot's disposal was? Cheers.


ok about a 5/10 , on par with most others, Murph was about 3/10...


unfortunately his kicking will never improve.


Bit like your credibility eh?

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For what its worth here is some comments on the game and our future:

Happy the footy is back!!

Hampson: Great skill and agility, will be a star in a few years.
Fev: Good discipline play hope he keeps it up, fitness needs to improve
Waite: People will disagree but for mine an absolute waste at CHB! We have people who can fill that position in Bower, Thornton, Jamison, Setanta, Austin etc why use Waite and make him a defensive player. The guy is a matchwinner. Would prefer him as a loose forward (Will take a opposition good player and take pressure off Fev & Fish) with time on the ball? Can go back when required.
Ellard: as in juniors a ball magnet, will be a cult hero
Pfieffer: Looked good, will add to runners
Betts: Is he fit enough for AFL? Uses the ball well when he gets it, we need him fit.
Thornton: Behind Jamison, Bower Waite & Setanta as key defender, didn't mind him as a forward, could be a Russell Morris type?
Kruezer: Very exciting
Jackson: Ball magnet
Stevens: Will need time to get back into it, not a leader in my opinion
Simpson: Born Leader, very underrated
Grigg: Looks a natural HBF, uses ball well and will get better
Russell: A worry, looks good in bits but doesn't do enough for me
Cloke: Will contribute and handy but is not a star
Carazzo: Will continue on from last year, excellent aerobic capabilities
Gibbs: Looks bigger and more confident, great skills
Edwards: Not a fan to one dimensionable for me.
Armfield: Hard and will be goer in defence or tagging, lot to like
Houlihan: Will step up this year with good players around him, need his disposal skills
Murphy: All class but bloody ordinary today!
Bower: Was more disciplined than I have seen him before, could fill CHB if he keeps improving
Saddington: Too small for big guys to small for quick guys, a worry
Wiggins: Did he play?
Scotland: Typical game from him, runs well from defence and uses ball well. Like to see him use right foot more.

Overall, Good pressure which we lacked last year. Seemed to play for each other more.Using the ball better into forward line although still needs improvement. Lot to like and a definite improvement on last year.

Will improve as year goes on and adding Judd, Hadley, Walker, Setanta etc will make a difference.

Need work at the stoppages. Crumbing forward??

Lots of options in most positions which will serve us well.

Ruck options of Hampson, Cloke, Kruezer should combine well and can all play up forward.

Although we didn't beat much it was away and a win will be great for our confidence. Winning is a habit.

Haw/Syd will be a good game for us.

Stevens not a leader, Simpson is best option for me behind Judd!

Exciting times ahead in 2008.

Hows this for a line up for Rd 1 2008 against Richmond.

B: Armfield Setanta Jamison
HB: Grigg Bower Scotland
C: Walker Carazzo Simpson
HF: Fisher Thornton Stevens
F: Waite Fevola Houlihan
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int from: Cloke Gibbs Hadley Anderson Kruezer Jackson Betts Pfeiffer (can't fit them all in?)

Not Bad??
Thornton is our best defender period,has been for all those tough years,give me a break Jamieson in front of him and those others.

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cj69 wrote:
For what its worth here is some comments on the game and our future:

Happy the footy is back!!

Hampson: Great skill and agility, will be a star in a few years.
Fev: Good discipline play hope he keeps it up, fitness needs to improve
Waite: People will disagree but for mine an absolute waste at CHB! We have people who can fill that position in Bower, Thornton, Jamison, Setanta, Austin etc why use Waite and make him a defensive player. The guy is a matchwinner. Would prefer him as a loose forward (Will take a opposition good player and take pressure off Fev & Fish) with time on the ball? Can go back when required.
Ellard: as in juniors a ball magnet, will be a cult hero
Pfieffer: Looked good, will add to runners
Betts: Is he fit enough for AFL? Uses the ball well when he gets it, we need him fit.
Thornton: Behind Jamison, Bower Waite & Setanta as key defender, didn't mind him as a forward, could be a Russell Morris type?
Kruezer: Very exciting
Jackson: Ball magnet
Stevens: Will need time to get back into it, not a leader in my opinion
Simpson: Born Leader, very underrated
Grigg: Looks a natural HBF, uses ball well and will get better
Russell: A worry, looks good in bits but doesn't do enough for me
Cloke: Will contribute and handy but is not a star
Carazzo: Will continue on from last year, excellent aerobic capabilities
Gibbs: Looks bigger and more confident, great skills
Edwards: Not a fan to one dimensionable for me.
Armfield: Hard and will be goer in defence or tagging, lot to like
Houlihan: Will step up this year with good players around him, need his disposal skills
Murphy: All class but bloody ordinary today!
Bower: Was more disciplined than I have seen him before, could fill CHB if he keeps improving
Saddington: Too small for big guys to small for quick guys, a worry
Wiggins: Did he play?
Scotland: Typical game from him, runs well from defence and uses ball well. Like to see him use right foot more.

Overall, Good pressure which we lacked last year. Seemed to play for each other more.Using the ball better into forward line although still needs improvement. Lot to like and a definite improvement on last year.

Will improve as year goes on and adding Judd, Hadley, Walker, Setanta etc will make a difference.

Need work at the stoppages. Crumbing forward??

Lots of options in most positions which will serve us well.

Ruck options of Hampson, Cloke, Kruezer should combine well and can all play up forward.

Although we didn't beat much it was away and a win will be great for our confidence. Winning is a habit.

Haw/Syd will be a good game for us.

Stevens not a leader, Simpson is best option for me behind Judd!

Exciting times ahead in 2008.

Hows this for a line up for Rd 1 2008 against Richmond.

B: Armfield Setanta Jamison
HB: Grigg Bower Scotland
C: Walker Carazzo Simpson
HF: Fisher Thornton Stevens
F: Waite Fevola Houlihan
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int from: Cloke Gibbs Hadley Anderson Kruezer Jackson Betts Pfeiffer (can't fit them all in?)

Not Bad??
Ha Ha Armfield before Gibbs, Bentick and Russell.

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Solid hitout. Regardless of the opposition it's just good to see us get a win at last. Interesting that Murph and Pearce, the two young guns, both had shockers today.

Very impressed with the younger guys today. Hampson, Edwards, Pfeiffer, Ellard, Jamison, Armfield all did themselves proud. Waite has to be BOG after that effort. I think the debate about whether or not to play him at CHB can be put to rest. The defense was pretty solid all-round actually, except for a few lapses.

Port killed us in the clearances though, and our kicking needs to improve. How many goals did Port kick out of ruck contests?

Lucky that the best clearence player in the comp is waiting in the wings :wink:

Loved the work of Pfeiffer, especially early on. He definately comes into round 1 calculations after that effort. Jamison is going to be a beauty and he's improving with every game he plays. Ellard is definately a goer and would deserve the opportunity to be our second nominated rookie. The Hammer is going to be a superstar, and Bret was a hero up forward :lol:

The good thing to come out of this match was that none of our established players, bar Waite, Bret and maybe Scotland, played well or had any kind of impact. It was all down to our youngsters. Great signs from an otherwise meaningless game.
A man called Houlihan did well.

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One more win next week, and we get to see the Messiah in action. Go Blues!!! :lol:
One more win and maybe losing would be better.I rather prepare for the real thing,winning 4 scratch matches you bound to lose soon Round 1 or 2. I want us to belt Richmond in round 1 as if we only beat them by say 15 points,I'll be disappointed because the chances our next game agains't St Kilda will be tough and we need a big percentage.

If we have a great percentage and win our second game,chances are we beat Essendon* in Round 3 and that will give us 3 wins out of 3 are great start.

Let's not @#$%&! up,the real season, to get a high for the NAB cup.

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A good win but considering Port were missing their top 5 players, its hard to tell how good we were.
Exactly people get carried away to early.It was early days,but if we played like that against a full great side we would get flogged with the skill errors,but it was good too see some of the young kids doing well.

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A good start.
Both teams had young players and the skills were down.

Unusual for Murphy to not kick well. His passing has been one of his
attributes. I called him radar with some of his passes to Fev. Hopefully just an early season thing.

We were killed around the hitouts. Lets hope this will change when the
master is fit and playing.
Nick Stevens did well. He is still a clever player.
Thornton seemd to like a run up forward.
There were some good signs from the new and youger players.
Early days still.


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No need to read much into the game either way. A good, spirited performance with plenty of room for improvement.

We will have a sensational midfield this year I think, but will struggle down both ends.

Not a lot of experience in that defence and still too much kick it to Fev.

Was impressed with Pfeiffer & Hampson especially.

Hopefully some more work on skills over the next few weeks will get us ready for R1.


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nice post gezman

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Hey you may find this funny - went out to dinner with the company at the snootiest dinner in Beverley Hills you could imagine. I went to the dinner and ordered a beer and put it in my old Carlton stubby holder... The company & waiters were horrified.

Go Blues.



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The three biggest positives for me were:-

Hampson
Armfield
Jamison


Hampson - what a reach he has with those arms. very impressive.

Armfield - got to the ball a lot and is a dynamo

jamison - play this bloke the whole season. that late punch away he did when his opponent looked certain of the mark...fantastic. and that tackle on his opponent near the goalsquare. A real physical presence.


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spf wrote:
Thought Rattens use of Cain Ackland in particular was good. I think they have really found his natural position.


Classic!


I agree. :-D


Hampson's reach and jump alone would make Ackland redundant.


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my two cents...

some players are natural footballers, some are natural athletes who play football, and the best are the ones that are footballers who can also execute well due to athletic ability.

Hoops, Simo, Scotto, Stevo, Gibbs are a class above becaues they are footballers but can also execute.

Anyone who thinks Houla isn't in our best 22 are kidding themselves. Provided they don't play him deep in defence and he spends most of his time in the midfield and forward of centre he will be in our top 5 in the B&F again. He is class.

Simo is also class. His work rate and football brain impress me more and more. I really hope they consider him for captain. Very worthy IMHO.

Now I do love carrots because he is a natural footballer, but his execution will always prevent him from being elite. He was horrible yesterday. Still in our best midfield rotation but I would really like to see him have 20 handballs a game and 10 kicks rather than the other way around. His kicking style isn't great and he takes too long to get the ball to foot which often results in kicking under pressure or execution errors.

The best signs for me from the game was from Grigg and Bower. Grigg looks to have the class that Simo et al have. Great technique and as he gets more experienced just seems to have natural composure. I see him taking a Christou type role in our defence and making HBF his. Bower also really showed he is concentrating harder on his defensive side and always has good (and fun to watch) dash. These guys along with Jamo will be the foundation of our defence for the next 7-8 years. Add Setanta and Thornton and it looks like we are building a formidible back line. People that think Thornton isn't in our best 22 are also kidding themselves. He reads the game so well and can also execute. Classy player. Hopefully Austin will mature (come out of his shell) and come on also. Remember this kid was under age and is still a baby. Eventhough Waitey had a good game, I'm not a fan of him in defence. I prefer him as a forward but who am I to argue with Ratts the mastermind.

Pfeiffer really showed plenty and should be a fairly permanent fixture this year. very impressive debut. He has great size and goes hard.

Armfield looked mature and strong. He loves to handball which I think we need more of. Waitey needs to take a leaf from these guys. Waitey to me isnt a natural defender yet because he doesnt look to handball quickly enough when he takes possession in the backline (particularly from a mark). We really need to play on more and back ourselves when gaining possession in the backline.

I know not many people will agree with me here, but I like the look of Russell. He has excellent technique and with some confidence I think he will come on and be a good player. He just needs to learn how to find the ball more, so hopefully Juddy and the other ball winners can teach him a few tricks. He has all the other attributes (including size now).

Hammer looks extremely impressive and I'm so happy that he'll make it tough for Ackland to get a game. We don't need mid sized, low work-rate ruckman starting in our best 22 ever again. And sorry to say, but Cloke will be a pinch hitter at best for the Blues. I love his work ethic but he just isn't athletic enough for his size to lock down a position (including ruck). He'll be support cast only. Those who think he has a shot at CHF are kidding themselves. CHF these days needs to be much more mobile that in the old days (ala Pav, Rooey, etc). And clokey just doesnt have that.

Edwards took a few nice grabs but needs to lift his workrate by 100% (take a leaf from Fev's book) otherwise he will be as what others have said - a one trick poney. He has the athletic ability, but not the football brain as yet it seems. Hopefully it will develop otherwise he'll truggle to get a game this year and may end up getting the chop. Good luck to him because he appears to have all the tools.

Murph had a shocker which is great. It'll only make him work harder which is a good thing at this time of year. Watch him redeem himself shortly.

Jamo is definitely going to make it. Really like his style (ala M Sexton) who was one of my favs for many years.

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enjoyed the game, we'll only get better.

The ruck is still a worry though - we got blitzed when Brogan was on the ground.

Armfield will be a gun once he picks up the pace of the game.

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my two cents...

some players are natural footballers, some are natural athletes who play football, and the best are the ones that are footballers who can also execute well due to athletic ability.

Hoops, Simo, Scotto, Stevo, Gibbs are a class above becaues they are footballers but can also execute.

Anyone who thinks Houla isn't in our best 22 are kidding themselves. Provided they don't play him deep in defence and he spends most of his time in the midfield and forward of centre he will be in our top 5 in the B&F again. He is class.

Simo is also class. His work rate and football brain impress me more and more. I really hope they consider him for captain. Very worthy IMHO.

Now I do love carrots because he is a natural footballer, but his execution will always prevent him from being elite. He was horrible yesterday. Still in our best midfield rotation but I would really like to see him have 20 handballs a game and 10 kicks rather than the other way around. His kicking style isn't great and he takes too long to get the ball to foot which often results in kicking under pressure or execution errors.

The best signs for me from the game was from Grigg and Bower. Grigg looks to have the class that Simo et al have. Great technique and as he gets more experienced just seems to have natural composure. I see him taking a Christou type role in our defence and making HBF his. Bower also really showed he is concentrating harder on his defensive side and always has good (and fun to watch) dash. These guys along with Jamo will be the foundation of our defence for the next 7-8 years. Add Setanta and Thornton and it looks like we are building a formidible back line. People that think Thornton isn't in our best 22 are also kidding themselves. He reads the game so well and can also execute. Classy player. Hopefully Austin will mature (come out of his shell) and come on also. Remember this kid was under age and is still a baby. Eventhough Waitey had a good game, I'm not a fan of him in defence. I prefer him as a forward but who am I to argue with Ratts the mastermind.

Pfeiffer really showed plenty and should be a fairly permanent fixture this year. very impressive debut. He has great size and goes hard.

Armfield looked mature and strong. He loves to handball which I think we need more of. Waitey needs to take a leaf from these guys. Waitey to me isnt a natural defender yet because he doesnt look to handball quickly enough when he takes possession in the backline (particularly from a mark). We really need to play on more and back ourselves when gaining possession in the backline.

I know not many people will agree with me here, but I like the look of Russell. He has excellent technique and with some confidence I think he will come on and be a good player. He just needs to learn how to find the ball more, so hopefully Juddy and the other ball winners can teach him a few tricks. He has all the other attributes (including size now).

Hammer looks extremely impressive and I'm so happy that he'll make it tough for Ackland to get a game. We don't need mid sized, low work-rate ruckman starting in our best 22 ever again. And sorry to say, but Cloke will be a pinch hitter at best for the Blues. I love his work ethic but he just isn't athletic enough for his size to lock down a position (including ruck). He'll be support cast only. Those who think he has a shot at CHF are kidding themselves. CHF these days needs to be much more mobile that in the old days (ala Pav, Rooey, etc). And clokey just doesnt have that.

Edwards took a few nice grabs but needs to lift his workrate by 100% (take a leaf from Fev's book) otherwise he will be as what others have said - a one trick poney. He has the athletic ability, but not the football brain as yet it seems. Hopefully it will develop otherwise he'll truggle to get a game this year and may end up getting the chop. Good luck to him because he appears to have all the tools.

Murph had a shocker which is great. It'll only make him work harder which is a good thing at this time of year. Watch him redeem himself shortly.

Jamo is definitely going to make it. Really like his style (ala M Sexton) who was one of my favs for many years.

ok thats enough from me. sorry about the length of the post.


yep, fair summary IMO.
I thought Pfeiifer was excellent, Ellard showed his nervousness early but settled well. His ability to collect the ball at top pace was very good.
Armfield impressed, Bower was very good and Hammer has the world at his feet.
Once he learns to direct the ball a bit better and his team mates understand his capabilities, we'll see a huge improvement.

I thought Jake Edwards showed a bit for his first real hitout. I disagree about Fev. He was excellent at times but chooses too often when he wants to be defensive.
If he definitely knows he can get the ball/player he'll chase but if the ball is 10+ metres away, he wont chase to apply pressure.
At one stage Port turned it over at half back and Fev recieved the pass 50 metres on his own in the goalsquare. He should be embarrased to be there.
Efforts like those need to be eradicated for us to compete against the top teams. How often did Krakouer stroll off half back setting up play?

Murph had a downer but Port worked him over hard. Cassisi has become an elite stopper/ball winner.
Structurally, I thought we missed Hartlett enormously. We also need to have a 3rd man up in the marking contests far more often in the backline.
These things will take time. we're coming from a long way behind tactically.
That was clearly demonstrated by our inability to attempt to counter Ports stoppage work. But lets not beat ourselves up about that. 15 other clubs know how port will set up at stoppages. Yet few can counter it. Port just execute it better than opponents can counter it.

All up, a good effort. Great to see the kids running around. Lastly, dont be critical of Carrazzo. He is often rushed and his disposal isnt always the best but while he's winning the ball and wobbling it our way, its not in the hands of our opponents.
He's a ball winner and until someone better comes along, i'll take him everytime.

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I thought some of the hit outs that Hammer got, didn't get to any of our players and I was wondering about the set up at the bounce because we weren't taking advantage of his ability to get first touch to ther balle.

It was funny seeing the game and knowing that Murphy had a shocker, but Sunday paper had him as being impressive for the Blues. :roll:

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