Its about matchups these days not positions....Waite can play CHB on some players but not others, likewise Setanta is ideal on some FF's and not others.....Waite could be as good as Pavlich if he could be consistent and finish his work.
Without a true CHF I think he will play both ends of the park.....

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FWIIW, I've seen Setanta kick goals and Waite do the job in defence: and the other way around. So, it is about match ups. An analogy is Brereton on Rhys-Jones in the 87GF. Rhys wasn't necessarily a CHB but did the job beautifully. So don't be concerned if he is up back or forward. It's all very fluid these days.

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EB & zoneman both make a good point re matchups.
Waite can play CHB - his game on Riewoldt proved it - but in other weeks he seemed to have trouble keeping tight for 120 minutes.
I expect that he will play at both ends this year and maybe even both within the same game to get a mental break from a tough defensive task.

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As someone who'd love to see Waite up forward it hurts to say, but he will have to play back most weeks to stop us being pummeled.

You then just let Fev, Fish and the resting ruckman rely on some great delivery from Judd, Stevo, Murph and co

I think Edwards would have to be the most overrated player we have ever had.

I have seen him in the reserves too, and he shows a bit, but he has not done anywhere near enough to warrant a game yet.

I don't think Waite is one of those guys that you can throw around just yet. He NEEDS a full year in defense to learn his craft.
One of the main reasons I feel this way is that he is an instinctive player and the main weakness of this is he tends to be ball watching in the backline, whilst his opponent runs off him too often.
This is something which he must learn and you can't have him up forward one moment where he needs to ball watch and down defense where he must watch his man and expect consistency from him. Once he has learned the skills of defence, then he would be an asset to be able to play him forward or back.

How is he being overrated? He is still young and needs some game time!

Id rather players on out list to have some sort of potential rather than none!

Edwards needs to be played in the NAB cup and given some good game time...sometimes players show nothing in the twos but shine when given a chance in the seniors and their career takes off.
He is a player without a genuine position, another 190cm+ type who can play in a few positions but doesnt specialise....that doesnt help.
I'd even run him down back and let him play off a flank and see what he can do......

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As I said, he has shown bits and pieces in the reserves, but that's about it, it's just potential. He has been there a couple years now, and as much as you'd like to think young players should be given heaps of time the reality is these days clubs expect players to deliver quicker than in the 'good old days', and Edwards has done little to warrant the widespread claims by the Carlton faithful that he is a great prospect. I hope I am wrong, but really, if you sit back and look at things objectively, you'll see he hasn't done that much yet, certainly not enough to warrant the amount of talk that surrounds him. How many bags has he kicked in the Twos? How many games in the Twos has he been among the top few players? I reckon some of you have a boner for the young lad

In my opinion Waite has to play back.... we dont have enough quality blokes to play back there and he can give us a bit of run out of there as well.

Armfield Ohailpin Thornton
Scotland Waite Bower ( although im still not convinced about him )

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Please check his DOB, and then what pick we acquired him with, and then get back to me.

Compare him with like picks, with like ages.

He is yet to prove us he won't live up to his potential, thus he warrants a position on our list, and is as entitled to a fair go as the rest of them. He was looking promising - in fact was set to be promoted, before major injury.

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i agree...plays much better and has a larger impact when he plays up forward

Jez, Kreuser will play CHF and i bet he will do a better job,then most would think.The Defence is a problem for us,will have to decide if Waite and S.Ohailipin stay there along with Bower and form a hard defence with Scotland,Thornton and possiblyone of the guys we drafted this year unless one of the 2nd or 3rd year players kick into gear.

I'm betting CHF will be mixed with Kreuser,Waite,Cloke and last chance Hartlett there if he isn't in defence,there also Edwards,but i'll be suprised to see him hold the spot for long.

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Bang Bang.

You correct,Waite can kick goals,but you need big guys in defence with a bit of muscle and Waite and Setanta should help guys like Thornton,Bower and Scotland/Hadley.

Getting kreuser this year,he will slot somewhere in the forward line for now,Houilhan could go down there also,who isn't slow with Fisher,his excellent pin pointing the ball and finding Fevola and he kick goals on the run himself.

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Betts kick 40, i'll won't be suprised if we seen the best of him already.I think this season could be a tough one for him,with the new guys coming in,he would need to be consistent each week not every 3rd week.

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Bang Bang.

Ratts said today that he wants Waite to play CHB, and sees Cloke/Fish/Kreuzer/Hadley (yes I wtf'd at that one too) as candidates for CHF.

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Armfield,are bit early to slot in there, i think hadley will get a gig before him who has experience.

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Bang Bang.

I think he is saying Hadley could play on a flank with Fisher,that's not bad as he isn't slow and has good skills and Kreuser would be CHF or Cloke.

That's about Wright in my opinion, i put houilhan as the other half forward,but hadley would also do the job if he still good.

My personal view is i don't think Hartlett physically strong enough to play AFL without doing a injury especially as a key position and Edwards maybe similiar,but i hope i'm wrong.will just have to wait and see.

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Bang Bang.

The case for the defence: Waite

Saddington

I hope they meant Setanta.

This move isn't working. IMO there is too much pressure on Fev and we are still conceding over 100 points a game. We need to take the long term view and get Austin into the side and start grooming him as a KPP Backman. Probably, play Austin in a Pocket for now but his development is key to release Waite to the forward line