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Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.



Notjing interesting about your statistics.

List who yours are from the last four years and we can do the same???

Thats a statistic you should keep your eye on...

And then revist at the end of this year.

Ours are on the way up... you dont have many in existence..

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Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.


Carlton's recruiting (and development) was poor for much of that period. We know that. These stats don't tell us anything new. In four year's time, let's compare St Kilda's results from players recruited in 2000-2004 against the return from players Carlton recruited in 2004-2008. That will be more interesting 8)

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.


Carlton's recruiting (and development) was poor for much of that period. We know that. These stats don't tell us anything new. In four year's time, let's compare St Kilda's results from players recruited in 2000-2004 against the return from players Carlton recruited in 2004-2008. That will be more interesting 8)


You can just start comparing what they have ust drafted in the last 4 years.... 5.. we give them Goddard too... compared to what we got in that draft... Fisher and Simmo...


Pathetic supporters pathetic club...they suit each other..

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Synbad wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.


Carlton's recruiting (and development) was poor for much of that period. We know that. These stats don't tell us anything new. In four year's time, let's compare St Kilda's results from players recruited in 2000-2004 against the return from players Carlton recruited in 2004-2008. That will be more interesting 8)


You can just start comparing what they have ust drafted in the last 4 years.... 5.. we give them Goddard too... compared to what we got in that draft... Fisher and Simmo...


Pathetic supporters pathetic club...they suit each other..


They will fit right in down at Franga....(I'm allowed to say that 'cos I'm originally from Funky Town...) :wink:

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Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.

Not really. Most of our top 30 picks have come in recent years and are just young kids who are just trying to cement their place in the side. St Kilda had plenty of top 30 draft picks years ago and not so many recently so most of those players have had the opportunity to play plenty of AFL footy. Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Grigg, and Hampson will all have played plenty of AFL footy between them by the end of their AFL careers but at the minute they'd struggle to reach 50 games combined.

So in summary that ladder is based on useless and misleading stats.


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Andain wrote:
Oh When the Saints wrote:
From the Sunday Mail in October this year. Measures the number of games played by all players drafted with picks 1-30 since 1996:

Club -- Avg. Games -- # Top 30 Picks

St Kilda -- 83.4 -- 18
Fremantle -- 69.9 -- 16
West Coast -- 58.2 -- 25
Sydney -- 54.8 -- 18
Port Adelaide -- 50.1 -- 19
Bulldogs -- 49.8 -- 20
Brisbane -- 49.4 -- 20
Melbourne -- 48.1 -- 22
Essendon* -- 47.6 -- 28
Kangaroos -- 45.7 -- 22
Geelong -- 45.0 -- 22
Richmond -- 40.2 -- 17
Collingwood -- 37.0 -- 22
Hawthorn -- 34.7 -- 25
Adelaide -- 32.7 -- 13
Carlton -- 29.1 -- 15


Apart from enjoying being able to find another ladder in which Carlton win a wooden spoon, and one where the Saints > Blues (hard to find), this is an interesting statistic.

Not really. Most of our top 30 picks have come in recent years and are just young kids who are just trying to cement their place in the side. St Kilda had plenty of top 30 draft picks years ago and not so many recently so most of those players have had the opportunity to play plenty of AFL footy. Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Grigg, and Hampson will all have played plenty of AFL footy between them by the end of their AFL careers but at the minute they'd struggle to reach 50 games combined.

So in summary that ladder is based on useless and misleading stats.
kind of like stkildas history.... oh the tragedy!!! :lol:

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Grand Finals played in since 1996

Brisbane -- 4
Sydney -- 3
Kangaroos -- 3
West Coast -- 2
Port Adelaide -- 2
Essendon* -- 2
Collingwood -- 2
Adelaide -- 2
Melbourne -- 1
Geelong -- 1
Carlton -- 1
St Kilda -- 1
Fremantle -- 0
Bulldogs -- 0
Richmond -- 0
Hawthorn -- 0


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Hey............


















Image.......!






they stack up alright............a lot prettier than what i
expected too.........!


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The funny thing is the StKilda flower... doesnt give us a ladder of premierships... memberships or woodenspoons..


flower!!! :lol:

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Synbad wrote:
The funny thing is the StKilda flower... doesnt give us a ladder of premierships... memberships or woodenspoons..


flower!!! :lol:

um isnt this thread about how our recruitment stacks up ? why would we list premierships woodenspoons and memberships ??

i found that list interesting especally the way ppl critisise us for haveing heaps of low picks but you look at us compared to west coast they have 25 picks in the top 30 and we have 15 how the heck can that happen when they have only missed the finals one year in the last 7 years


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bah-humbug wrote:
Synbad wrote:
The funny thing is the StKilda flower... doesnt give us a ladder of premierships... memberships or woodenspoons..


flower!!! :lol:

um isnt this thread about how our recruitment stacks up ? why would we list premierships woodenspoons and memberships ??

i found that list interesting especally the way ppl critisise us for haveing heaps of low picks but you look at us compared to west coast they have 25 picks in the top 30 and we have 15 how the heck can that happen when they have only missed the finals one year in the last 7 years
because its an out of whack sample geared towards cheap laughs at Saintsational where he laughs to having posted it.

He should tell us how theyre travelling compared to us in the last 5 years on the recruitment scales.

You say yourself that they have done well in the last 7 years .... but that means they havent won a premiership in the last 7 years and will now have tpo rely on how they recruited over the last 5 years....which would make feel mighty uneasy if i were a StKilda supporter..

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Synbad,
there is nothing special about being 194cm tall. You still have to have ability and speed etc.
I have always wanted jarrad waite at CHB with the odd role in the forward line or on the wing.
Your comments on Thornton are spot on. His main concernis his own stats and image. He sacirifices the team goals for his personal ego and image. Remember he held carlton to ransom 2 years ago and I was hoping the blues would make a deal with hawthorn or someone else. He got his big contract and see what he did the following year? He almost played every game and was was almost last in our best and fairest. He got a total of 24 votes in our B&F - stevens for example got 25 vote just in the richmond game alone before his entire season finished.

Yes Synbad - its a disease that effects the young players. And let me tell you one thing for certain - Ratts will not tolerate anyone who does not follow team rules and team goals. That includes big Fev, who is a genius at full forward but I hope he doesnt try the crap he was getting away with when the soft pagan was at the helm

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As bad as we have been, and that is an understatement, we still have achieved more success than StKilda in the last 5 years. :shock: :oops: :lol:

Some clubs are just pathetic rabbles all along their miserable lives. 8)


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