Who are the last three premiership CHF's?

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sticks, fitzy

maclure??

Mooney

Ashley Hansen

Do Sydney have a CHF? Michael O'Loughlin? Barry Hall (is he really a CHF?)

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I meant for all clubs

Geelong, WCE and Sydney.

Mooney? Lynch? Hall?

Not quite tradictional CHF's, are they?

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there are few traditional roles left in the modern game - we have borrowed heavily from basketball - in as much as the opposition is more or less allowed possesion deep in their defence, and the idea seems to be to create an impenetrable barrier in the oppositions forward 50.

the "new" traditional CHF might be the guy who can hoof it 65 metres over the top of the lot

tredrea or J Brown are the most recent dominant CHF's to win a premiership...
J Brown and Lynch the last pair of dominant forwards...the rest have been one man shows...

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Quality forwards (including CHF) need to do one at least of the following:

- kick goals
- set up goals

To date Waite hasn't been able to do this on a consistent basis.

CHB for mine.

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Sometimes discussions are interesting with certain posters ... why I am I not surprised. Time will tell CC, time will tell, lets see who is the wisest about Setanta, shall we.

I seem to remember you being more right than wrong before as well.

Well I hope so for Setanta and Carlton's sake.

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I have a feeling from reading training reports that Fev will be instructed to lead further up the ground. If you then have Fisher on one HFF, you just need the second flanker. If Edwards could get his body right then it sounds like he'd be perfect, but otherwise I guess the role goes to Russell or Wiggins.

Look SB... what I've just written doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence either. But then again, it is fair to say that Waite at CHF doesn't inspire me with confidence either. My guess is that Cloke will play there.

You need either a strong chf or a strong FF....

We have the FF.

We need a FB CHB......

Then watch out!!

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Setanta would be worth trying at CHF but I think he will be needed in defense....our main trouble will be stopping teams kicking goals.
We have to get to away also from the kick it to Fev gameplan on every forward entry and we need a CHF who can demand and get the footy....a great opportunity for Hartlett or even Cloke to cement a position.
I see Kruezer as the Corey Mckernan type who will ruck and float around down forward.....I wouldnt want to see him lumbered with the CHF spot in his first season...he just needs to be left to develop at his own pace without too much pressure or responsibility.

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Yep, agree with all of this. Only one Santy and he can't be at both ends.

Cloke is now my best option for CHF (or at least having first crack) as he would have so many mobile forwards around him, the likes of Fish, Betts, Houla, Gibbs, Jake, Fev etc. Can play and love his physicality.

Gees, EB I hope you all your wishes don't come true

I tend to agree with you though about Cloke being the most likely CHF, I want Santy to play FB / CHB for the whole season.

The other contenders are Harts and Jake - would love either of those two to jump up and grab the CHF role.

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But then who will play CHB for the 22 rounds?

I think most of you are missing the point - how many potential CHB's do we have? And how many potential CHFs do we have?

CHB
Waite
Setanta

CHF
Waite
Hartlett
Cloke
Kreuzer

I think the key here is in the above numbers, and the fact we recruited Kreuzer.

Kreuzer is seen mainly as a ruck come forward, however he is so athletic and quick, and we also have Hampson and Aisake, so there is every possibility Kreuzer might end up a forward. He is tall, quick and agile.

And as you can see, we have very few potentail key defenders. Thornton is not a no.1 defender, Hartlett looks more comfortable up forward, Cloke I just can't see at CHB, Kreuzer is more forward than defender, Edwards won't be a CHB, Fisher and Fevola play forward only, and Bower isn't big enough to play CHB... Aisake is probably the wild card as he could end up anywhere, but right now he has a long way to go and I would be surprised if he could ever read the play well enough to be a gun CHB.

So there's really nobody left.

The two best candidates we have for CHB are Waite and Setanta.

So I guess it all comes down to what the club want, and I dare say they might be angling towards having Setanta and Waite both playing down back, with Thornton the third tall, and with Bower a quasi tall come running defender.

And at the other end of the gound you have Fevola, Fisher, and Kreuzer as the three forwards, with Hartlett and Cloke as other possibilities.

It all makes sense when you look at it objectively. It made sense we played Waite down back a bit this year. I mean you can't fit Fevola, Waite, Fisher AND Kennedy all in the one forwardline.

BTW I'm not saying the club should make Kreuzer play at CHF all next year.

Modern teams have shown they can do well without a power CHF. But in 3 years he could be a Kozi type

We start blooding him as a mobile, tall forward with turns in the ruck, and besides, Waite will inevitably play some games forward next year when we're in strife.

In a couple years maybe Asisake struggles in ruck so Kreuzer definitely has to play ruck. Or maybe Aisake does well in ruck, so Kreuzer ends up a forward like Kozi.

Setanta can play back for 22 rounds and do a reasonable job, whereas we are expecting a great deal if he where to play CHF for 22 rounds. He just doesn't have the smarts yet.

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with a Thornton/O'hAilpin/Jamison or Bower combination down back with Austin/Saddington pushing as well and are therefore better placed with Fevola/Waite/Fisher/Cloke or Kruezer forward of the centre with Hartlett/Edwards pushing.
We have a better chance winning games, being more positive and having more options to win games with Waite forward of the centre. He Fisher and Fev with cloke or Kruz are really headaches for oppositions. Take one away and the advantage falls away.

That's my 2 cents worth anyway.

I forgot about Jamison. He is not a CHB though, more a FB. But yes, you could throw Setanta to CHB, and then leave Waite at CHF.

Really it will all come down to how players develop. Maybe Aisake bursts onto the scene and can do everything, maybe Setanta will be able to play both ends really well, maybe Hartlett will surprise us all, etc etc.

I think they like Waite's attacking nature at CHB, and I reckon Kreuzer could become like a Kozi type. These two are our most talented young talls.

Really I think you've got to have a strong backline. You've got to have some sort of gun down there. All the great teams had gun defenders - Scarlett, Glass, Barry, Cornes, Michael/Leppitsch, Fletcher are names from the most recent Premiership sides. And Collingwood had Clement too.

Waite has the ability (potential) to be an athletic, attacking CHB - I think maybe some of you are under-estimating the importance of having a gun player like that down back.

It's very easy to sit back and say "We have Thornton, and Setanta developing, and Jamison who looks good, and maybe Bower". But neither Jamison or Bower are going to end up true gun key position players. They will be good, maybe very good, but not guns. And we know Thornton won't be a gun. Setanta is a maybe.

Put it this way, Waite is the closest thing we have right now to a gun, experienced CHB. He did well on Riewoldt this year, I don't think anyone else at the club could have done that well that night.

..Waite's a natural forward, and he may come good as a defender, but his footy instincts mark him as a goal kicker.. ..and stop crapping on about his inconsistency, the entire teams been inconsistent fer years, cos we've been crap, and haven't had a proper 22.. ..him, and others,, will come good once we field a proper team under a proper coach..

..as for the "hardest position of the field", i agree that CHF is just that.. ..but nowadays, it's b/c no-one knows what a CHF is meant to be.. ..it's the footy bermuda triangle..

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Who was it recently from the club that suggested Bower could make a very good atacking CHB?

He's burning atm.

Running
Closing speed
Kicking
Confidence...marking


And he's still learning the game. I have faith in Bower.

I can't argue with Ratts though; he knows best. I too believe Waite is our best CHB, but I'd rather se him at CHF.

Setanta would go allright at CHF. He's been around long enough to read the game too. He made huge improvemnts in 2007; kicked some very nice goals on the run.

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