As if a man with more connections than all of Columbia could not have this dealt with in his own way, and when it suits him.....

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Ryan - most of this will pay the ACCC's legal costs...the work with the lawyers has been going on for over 2 years.

I reckon a caller on a radio summed it up perfectly today when he stated how we can comment on Pratt and cardboard boxes when the AFL endorses the food suppliers of the Dome and MCG with fixed pricing of fast food ie a Pie and chips for $15 or what ever they charge.

Price fixing is right under the AFL's nose perhaps they should fix it up and maybe the media can focus on something that directly affects the supporters of AFL

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That's a great point you refer to Wolfe.

It's a crime; the cost of food and drink at the footy. A family game? Pffft!

The AFL is not egalitarian, it's a business out to extract every penny regardless of one's socio economic standing.

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The ghost of Ron Evans continues to haunt us.

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Ask Ron Evans how come - Spotless Catering happened to buy the catering company Mustard Catering - which owned the catering rights at Subiaco Oval BEFORE any other companies new that the AFL was going to fixture all games for West Coast and Fremantle at Subiaco Oval rather than splitting them between Subiaco and the WACA.

No insider trading, conflict of interest there Ron Evans????

Ron - no insider trading or conflict of interest there????

Ron??? Ron????

Ron you conflicted, dishonourable, liar, cheat and fraud!!!!!

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time for a Chaser song...

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Everyone over the past few weeks has taken to Richard Pratt bashing as a sport - and the amount of time that talkback radio has given the "bogans and no-shows" on trying to tar Carlton with some sort of "cheating brush" because we got Judd, the number 1 draft pick, a new major sponsor (soon) and VisyBoards problems just beggars belief.

So I thought I would give Ron Evans a bit of equal (and well deserved airtime).

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Exactly Agro.Ron Evans was the very defenition of conflict of interest and was an AFL commisioner for crying out loud.Lets not forget he was Ess president at the time of their salary cap cheating which resulted in a premiership.Picked up the catering rights at the MCG and Dome while he was a commisioner and single handedly decided our draft penalties.

Ok,

so he's been officially fined and the CEO resigned...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/ ... 05240.html
Can we move on now...and appoint CJ as the new VISY CEO?

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Good idea, lets move forward.

Thanks for the article billc3.

Now lets move forward:

When is Evans and the rest of the commission's committe (circa 1993-2002) going to be held accountable for their role in cartel (or rather monoplolistic behaviour and insider trading), let alone conflict of interest?

It's about time.

I have no interest in sweeping it under the carpet; I like clean carpet!

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I really have mixed feelings about this. The Carlton fan says @#$%&! off, its got nothing to do with the club. But if it wasn't Dick Pratt, if it was John Elliot or Graeme Smorgon, or anyone else, we'd probably all be saying, that he should stand down given the seriousness of the breach and the reflection on the Carlton brand.

Probably the benefits of keeping Pratt in charge heavily outweigh the negative implications of this decision, so I doubt he's going anywhere.

But I do believe will stay long enough to do what he thinks is necessary then hand over the reins once he's found a successor, probably within 12 months

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it may be semantics, but why is it that no-one is paying any attention to the detail that Visy board was fined 36 million, and that richard pratt was fined...... wait for it.......... NOTHING?!?!?!?!?!?!?



wonder if fatprick smith will spot this detail for KB's show tomorrow??

I agree, especially if it were a Pres of another club, we'd be digging the knives in deep.

I personally feel that even though this has nothing to do with the club, it does reflect on us, and is only going to go on and on until Pratt steps down. Sure, the ACCC has fined the company a record amount (now time to crack down on those petrol companies I guess, guys...why are you running away?), but this isn't the end of it by a long way. We still have lawsuits from 'battlers' like Coca-Cola to sit through, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Fatprick and 'Happy Birthday Ox' is going to be there every step of the way, to remind people in case they forget about the Carlton connection.

One thing I had hoped we were beyond in our resurrection was associating ourselves with crooks, and just when it seems like everything is back on track again, this comes out. I know many here love the idea of being hated, but I'm getting really sick of it myself, and the last thing I want is more ammunition for people to attack a football club that I love. I want to be hated because of our success, and on-field arrogance, in the sporting arena. I don't want to be hated in a personal manner in having my morals questioned. I'm sick of my club, and those that support it, constantly having to defend against personal attacks that have nothing to do with football, but rather criticise our own dignity.

I am thankful Dick has come back to the club, he has saved us. But excuses aside, what he did here was inexcusable. I hope for Dick to stay for the remainder of the year, to put the last pieces in place for our future, and to stay in touch with the club after his tenure in an unofficial capacity. Pratt will step down, either because that's what he agreed to originally, or he'll be balls deep in legal stuff to pay any attention to us. He certainly won't stay on for 09.

Oh, and Ron Evans got off SO easy.

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This is far worse than anything Jack did - Jack ripped off his investors this bloke has ripped off the entire country .

I'm prepared to accept it as I did with Jack as there is no such thing as an honest buisness man .

But there are a bunch of hypocrites on this site who wont say boo about Pratt but were pretty quick to jump on Jack . While Pratt still has money they will take it if he looks like he is in trouble - Like Jack was, the hounds will be after him .

How dare he trade 3, 20 and Kennedy for Judd

We are where we were 10 years ago as far as the running of the club goes .

I dont mind it I just hope things turn around on the field as we might be asking Collo to come back

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The whole frigin world is corrupt. Who cares if Pratt was found guilty, if everyone took a truth serum you would find that ASIC would be very very rich overnight.

All I care about is Pratt using his business influence and contacts to get Carlton back on track and profitable before he leaves at the end of 2008.

The AFL will never ask him to step aside he is a white knight to the AFL also not just us supporters. Pratt is bringing the Carlton back to Carlton and the AFL are loving it.

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Good post.

Pratt has been fantastic for our club, but price-fixing is a serious offence, and I think Visy and Pratt have got off lightly. Like it or not, this does have a halo effect on our club due to perception. Football clubs are about emotions amongst their supporters, with logic rarely getting a look-in.

There is a ten per cent chance that Pratt will step down prior to the 2008 season, either because he has to due to the Gaming ommission, or because of continuing bad publicity, but in all likelihood, he will remain.

From a selfish perspective, I want Pratt to stay because he has been fantastic for our club, but I can understand those who believe he should step down.

By the way, the judge didn't fine Pratt, as he was already being penalised through his direct ownership of Visy.

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Now hang on one minute here, where as it been stated that he has ripped of his customers, let alone the whole country?
By the comments made on this site it's quite obvious that very little posters have any idea of how the corporate community operates and even less of the laws that it must adhere to. Let's get some things straight first.
1) Pratt was not personaly fined because as the owner of Visy he would be paying the fine by default and therefore his personal fine is incorporated in the fine to Visy.
2) This is not a criminal conviction unlike that of Elliott who has no ethics in the business world at all, it is a breach of the trade practices act.
3) The instigators of this cartel were the executives of AMCOR who were given imunity in return for providing evidence for prosecuting Mr Pratt -if there was ever a question that this was a witch hunt by the ACCC then there is your answer wrapped up in a bow tie.
4) Visy increased it's market share during the time of the price-fixing agreement, how do you suppose it done that? maybe by knowing what price your competitor was charging and beating that price - hardly ripping someone off is it?
5) Pratt has donated large sums of money (millions) each year for the last two decades and always involved in charity although he keeps a very low profile about it.
6) It's only a big deal because there is money involved, the unions operate outside of the law all the time (nurses dispute most recently - not that I don't support there actions) and yet we applaud their actions. It's amazing how badly we are effected by tall poppy syndrome.

Pratt and Elliot could not be more different.

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