QFT!

Too much lately, the players who represent Carlton, and US SUPPORTERS, haven't shown a level of professionalism which should be mandatory if they want to wear the Navy Blue.

Pride in the Club. Pride in the logo. Pride in their own performance. Pride in playing for each other.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

You could be right there Mrs.Caz,................ but the now John Kosmina-less Adelaide are now sitting pretty on top of the ladder with just one loss for the season and are CLEAR favourites to do what they couldn't do last year!

(note......did you just by-pass the swear filter? )

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

Love is the answer.

It's all you need really.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Yes the article article is negative, digs the heals in, etc etc...Yet, there's nothing written that is incorrect when reflecting on the past few years of our bleak history. He may be playing the superhero, Captain Obvious, but if you'd care to elaborate on the points he's made, then please enlighten me.

Some of us here have posted numerous times about the insipid performance of the players, specific to not doing the hard yards, especially in relation to chasing and running the lines (almost always only when in the defensive direction - funny that!) which I think you can only see when watching the game live. But some other posters have always cut down these observations, stating the game plan is solely to blame.

Everyone involved with the club needs to accept responsibility. As members we need to remain positive for the future as only we truly know just how far the club has come in the past 6-12 months. Yet we need accept the negative press we've bought it upon ourselves from years of excuses and poor performances, and more recently placing the sole blame on the coach - just one aspect of the business. In the coming year we'll definitely be on the improve, yet the players must know that now the spotlight has focused and intensified on their performances as individuals, and as a team. Excuses and passing the bucket is now a thing of the past.

Expect a lot more traffic in TalkingPlayers in '08.

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That reminded me of a great song from the old house days...

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The BearCat escaped!!!!!!???

Run for your life!

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

All young people are as soft as shit these days it is the way they are brought up . Not much you can do about it , it is what current day society wants . So you have to adapt

Are they soft- In my eyes yes
Do they lack pride- In my eyes yes
are they any different from others in the comp. In my eyes No

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I refuse to adapt to that. Let them bring back the pride. If the rest of the competition is lacking, then we will be unbeatable! RAH!

Again?

Found 'im.

Was Denis Pagan an employee of the Carlton Football Club during our worst years?

Yes.

Then he should get some blame too if the argument from journalists is that Carlton just blames others.

I'm all for accepting responsibility and I think the players need to as well. However, the only responsibility I heard Denis taking was when he was fired. He never admitted that he might have been part of the problem.

The coach should be at one with the players. Ratten has already said no excuses - my feeling is that if the players fail, then he will fail with them rather than trying to blame them. Therein lies the difference IMO.

Ratten will be loyal and take responsibility for his players. Pagan just blamed them when they didn't perform. Did he take responsibility for the performances of his players. It didn't seem like it. It didn't help when we had Collo bagging out the players but supporting the coach.

In many ways, the coach and the players go together in the blame-shifting game. I like Ratten's taking on of the responsibility; that takes guts and leadership because he knows that his head is on the block if the players don't perform particularly with Judd around. I hope Ratten instils the duty of responsibility to oneself that was lacking when Kouta, Lance and Campo were around the club.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Thank the good lord for that!

I was scared.

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

Totally agree CC.

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SACK PAGAN!

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dane's trolling again

w~w

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

It is reflective of the anti-Carlton bias that exists in football media circles. I mean it is more satisfying for these pricks to continue to ridicule and degrade the Carlton Football Club to feed their petty self indulgences rather than be objective and professional in their job. How Pagan can somehow escape his PIVOTAL role in our prolonged mediocrity is astounding! They all just keep making excuses for him, how he was given a hellish job and continuously undermined. But what did he achieve in his tenure? What progress did he make in his God-awful 5 years at our club? He foolishly and stubbornly imposed a game plan that worked while he had one of the games best ever CHF and got away with it. He did this in the knowledge he didn’t have the cattle to do the same at Carlton. He eventually caved in to the pressure of change as we were relentlessly pummelled week in, week out; a young list unable to execute and sustain this one-dimensional, narrow game plan. He repeatedly lost the playing group with his inability to instruct and communicate to his players and team, or manage his coaching duties to a level required at AFL level. I have not seen teams play with the lack of proper direction and team dynamics as I have when Pagan was coaching us. He was pathetic!!! There is no other way to describe his tenure.

I am still haunted by our unbelievably insipid performance against the tigers in Round 7 2005. At quarter time, the score was 7.4 to 0.2, at half time 13.8 to 1.3. It was one of our most embarrassing efforts in a multitude of sh!teful efforts through those years. We were so uncompetitive that it still makes my blood boil to his day. Up to then I had been happy to allow Denis some concessions but he lost me that day for good. Some coaching beauty’s on that day included a phenomenal decision to stick Teague on Stafford and keep an undersized defence on a tall, in form forward line. We were destroyed!

This is all but one example from countless many. But yeah, sorry, how could I forget, he was a dual premiership coach…

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C'mon Blueboys!

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

The article is a correct assesment of --What has been--What is ---What should be..

I was, am and always will be a supporter of DP to a certain extent, but I agree, that day was absolutely disgraceful. Lance at FF until half time while we were being slaughtered in defence . I was screaming 5 minutes into the 2nd and nearly in tears at half time - but I stayed to suffer the pain .