Have you read the book? You know this for fact?

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Did Kouta said it's all Pagan's fault? I think some of you + Caroline Wilson are reading too much into this. You're turning this around to attack Kouta by saying what he has written constitutes him saying everything is Pagan's fault. I might be wrong, but I don't think Kouta has said this.

Denis Pagan was a real big problem for The Blues for a number of years, and Kouta has come out and said this, obviously to the surprise of many.

By implication, because Kouta hasn't slammed Whitnall or Fevola or himself, you are interpreting these recent events as Kouta saying it's all Denis' fault. But I would put it to you that footballers don't bag their teammates, and Pagan was an extraordinary case as far as bad coaches go.

We all know not everybody is innocent. We all know the fate of a football club doesn't hinge on one person's shoulders.

Fev, Lance and Kouta have not been perfect in the last few years, but Kouta did win the B&F after his knee injuries, and was no.1 for clearances in the AFL, and Fev won the Coleman, and Lance had a very good 2006. But in contrast, I would suggest to you that Pagan has done SFA at Carlton, other than make a bunch of hacks and kids play a game plan they are not suited to, and treated these young and below avg players like dirt.

No one man is responsible for our last few years, but Pagan was the chief problem, and no footballer would ever write a book slamming his teammates, so I think you need to get a reality check mate, and just be happy at least someone is putting it on the record how horrible Pagan was - despite not being perfect, as least Kouta has said what needed to be said, and it will only reinforce the decision to sack Pagan and make the current board look good.

Kouta was asked by Tony Shaw what he thought about Lance..

Kouta said something along the likes of .."disappointing he was dropped would have been valuable.. had to play CHF when Sticks retired"

Implying hes been doing it for a long time..

But hes been shit for a long time and 1999/2000 was a long long time ago...


Kouta actually believes that Elliot was a great president(if aliitle too generous).. of course he does!!!
Its the me me me brigade with some of these blokes.. thats why they all needed to be gone for us to move forward.

Interestingly he doesnt mention his manager Allison is all this....either..

A case of definite selective blame...

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kouta is only being diplomatic when asked about Lance, saying he was surprised he was droppd etc.

imagine if he sed 'too far, too slow, gotta go", you just cant say that

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thats pretty bad-ass!

He actually said Lance had been disappointing, or something along those lines.

then what's every1 whinging about then?

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thats pretty bad-ass!

Move forward...

Judd or Simpson for captain.

Kouta has demonstrated the club has lacked a cohesive fabric for too long... and rightly or wrongly, Stevens is guilty by association (the meetings with the Board over Pagan, the rumoured boozing, and the length of time he has spent at the club whilst its been in the doldrums). As I say... it is guilt by association, and maybe its just unlucky... but let him concentrate on coming back from his injury, and move onto the next candidate.

Time to either look to the next generation, or the import to provide us with new leadership (or is that K-Rudd?).

Personally I'd give it to the bloke who picked up the phone to welcome Richard Hadley to the club. That says captaincy material to me.

geez i've read some crap in here over the past few days.

The same people saying "oooh, but poor Benny hasn't been found guilty of anything, oooh aaah, we need to be careful we don't trample his human rights" are now lining up to put the boots into a former club champion and Carlton captain, based on a handful of selected quotes from some shitrag of a newspaper

Which club do you barrack for? Sure doesn't sound like bloody Carlton. Disgraceful

Why cant you say what Kouta is saying is lopsided and not love the club??
I REALLY dont get stupidity!!!...

Kouta said Lance should have stayed at the club as he has alot to offer..
Kouta did say Stevo should be captain....(on what basis?)


Kouta has alot to say ...... but what Kouta doesnt talk about is
*Elliots role in the near demise of the club...
*Allisons role in the near demise of the club..
*Sticks role in the near demise of the club...(OReilly in particular and Denis two times as he had a hand in that Remember the Union article between Sticks Pagan Smorgon and Malouf?)
How Campo (Koutas VC)walked out and sat in the carpark with his *Essendon* jumper on hand ready tpo show it off to journalists.. IMBECILE !!!...
*How his 1 mill a year contract compounded a problem with the cap we had .... and how he never was the same player through those years anyway...
*How he signed up for another year (last year) even though he didnt get his wish(Pagan to be given the arse)..
*The Stevens article about the players going on the piss (from the guy he(Kouta) wants to captain us)... and Kouta was captain...
*Lance and his infamous battle with being overweight and sloppy..
*Player 'strikes'(example the last game of Pagans first year againt the Kangaroos.. where Beaumont said to Kangaroos players "how the @#$%&! did you put up with this @#$%&! stick for ten years"... to which the Kangaroos players horrified told Pagan... (as they wore their 2 grand final win medals arounfd their necks).. and players turning their back on the coach inside the first few weeks...

Now if Kouta had mentioned all of these things and Pagan it would be a true indication on the club and where it was falling over...

Instead Kouta points the finger mainly on Pagan and deflects criticisim from all of our problems.. in which case its a book to wipe your arse with....because he is not recording what actually happened ...only one aspect of why we were shit!!!

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i wasn't referring to you specifically Synbad.

but we don't really know what Kouta did or didn't say in the book do we?

i'm sure someone will correct me, but all i've heard is what Wilson quoted in the paper, until i read the book i'm not sure i can make a judgement.


but cousins and kerr are guilty

Not me Sideshow... I still believe in Human Rights and also believe that Kouta has every right to voice his experiences....

If only we got rid of Pagan earlier.... But no one believed me back then. Pagans paddock my A_ _ e.... I could of coached the club better than he did.

Kouta was a legand is a legand and should be able to say what he feels he needs to.. Its not exactly a Carlton person he has bagged is it.

makes me wonder how he and others felt when Martyn signed on...

But i do understand where the other side of the fence are coming from... And what news would it be if Kouta said the playing group were over paid and under performed. No news so why bother with stating the obvious.

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i've often wondered that myself

And Synbad you're right .... About all the other bits, its just they don't make news and we don't need to hear the obvious from Kouta.

Pagan is an easy target so better him than all our other in house issues at the time.

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