Well Synbad one of those soft cocks is now our coach. He was captain of our club and got the hell out mid season because he couldn't bare it. How are we gonna survive with this soft cock at the helm?

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The simple fact of the matter was our club was completeley disfunctional between 2002 and 2007 from the Board down to the playing list - and is reflected in our ladder finishes and financial results during that period.

There were some external factors which did not help us as well as some overhang from poor decisions from the latter years of the Eliott administration.

There is a lot to be said for drawing a line in the sand in the history of the club end 2007 - and looking forward to 2008 and beyond - if we dont make the most of this opportunity then we will be as bad as St. Kilda.

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2 sides with strong ego s.

A playing group that was suffering from inflated self opinions (The result of the previous Player empowerment policy) and a coach with an autocratic personality.

Pagan was deliberately chosen because of his strong inflexible character once the previous admin realized that the players and their on field performances were suffering from OVER empowerment.

In essence an environment of conflict between players and coach was deliberately engineered and inevitably played out.

It may have worked if Elliot remained in power. But even so that current playing group would always have had to be removed from the club and replaced by a young group able to be led.

What followed is a common scenario not only in sport but any other organization. It was a case of organizational resistance to change.
the only real solution was always removing those that resisted and those that resisted were always going to attempt to destabilize.

It wasn't the first time and wont be the last. Life moves on

Agree Sinners.
I dont feel sorry for pagan . He cooked his own goose because he wouldnt listen and take changing action.

I am glad There all gone

If the same things continue with Houlihan, Scotland and Fev piss them off at the end of 2008 as well

We dont need shit like this at the club anymore

Everythings relative. Kouta gave fine service for the club but he has not done himself any service buy the way he has gone about things lately.
It was collectively not one person's fault as to why the club was a basket case.

He should take ownership for his part of the abyss and shut up.

It will happen again, its a cyclical result of re-emergence from prolonged stability and the mediocrity that follows.

The pies went through it before us and Essendon* are experiencing it now.

For once I actually agreed with KB this week. On the day this article came to fruition, KB stated in his take that morning while it was obvious that Denis was partly to blame and Kouta did the right thing by speaking up, KB hope that Kouta would talk about how his team mates let the club down and how their efforts, or lack of, went a long way to keeping the club down the bottom of the ladder.

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I doubt youd say RattenMk1 was a great leader... acted more like a shop stewart than an AFL captain... lets hope th time away has opened his eyes.
He passes the first couple of tests...
Kouta? GONE!
LAnce? GONE!

Good start...!!!

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You're kidding yourself.
Pagan was chosen because he was high profile.
It was the last desperate act by a president trying to save his own arse.

Anything else is giving undue credit to self interested fools.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Your interpretation although partially correct is clouded by an obvious prejudice.

But regardless of your need to reinforce your opinion on Elliot and under the fool label there was also logic to his method other than self interest and you know it. To ignore the situation in its totality is what some may regard as a symptom of foolish self interest

Sam Lane with more from Kouta on the subject:

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/throw ... 32713.html

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Good on him.. he s showing more leadership in retirement than when he was playing. Even if his choice of revelations have lacked the totality that earns respect .


I await for the anti kouta sentimentarians to pounce

And I would suggest that your interpretation is clouded by historical revisionism. It was more than obvious at the time, even from Sydney, that Jack went after Pagan to shore up his crumbling position.

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The more i see of Kouta's real opinion the more all the vitriol in this forum thrown at him starts to seem very foolish.

I expect this stuff from Synbad as he would take any chance to stick the boot into anyone associated with the club, but i am disappointed at all the other rubbish being thrown out here.

“The key thing was our skills — our skills were terrible and we all felt like we weren't doing enough skills training, enough kicking and handballing to get our skills right for game day. So our training needed to change, our game plan needed to change.
"A lot of times I spent one-on-one with him, but a lot of times the leadership group was in there. He'd (Pagan) sort of say 'yeah, yep, I'll definitely look at it' … but it may have happened for a session or two but it always reverted back to his way at the end."

How dare he say this - he should concentrate on anecdotes from end of season trips.

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Have you read the entire book Synbad?
Have you spoken to Kouta and asked him these questions?

No, I thought not, as usual you are just just promoting your latest hate campaign in response to every question, no matter what the topic.

Why not comment on what Kouta has said rather than what he hasn't? How do you know he is not prepared to question his own performance if he's never been asked that question?

I bet you think because his souvlaki shop sells a lot of meat he hates vegetarians too

I'm confused. Haven't there been several quotes saying that Kouta didn't approach Pagan because he "Didn't feel it was right" or similar? Didn't Kouta say that the leadership group didn't speak to Pagan?

Now there are quotes saying the opposite?

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With respect to Kouta, he ain't a coach. He was barely a captain.

He was a great player but probably ranked 16th in the comp for leadership, but thinks he knows how to coach .

Let's be honest - we had NO skillful players and we saw in 2002 what happens when you try the possession game when you don't have skills.

I'm not anti-Kouta - just disappointed his career ended this way. He was criticized on this site along with Campo, Lance, Lappin (not by me-for the record) for 5-6 years.

We were also critical with Allan, Beaumont, Murphy etc etc. Funnily enough, all the blokes who have supported Kouta, and were part of the gravy train of the late 90s early 00s.

No doubt they all feel jilted that their careers ended with an horrific W/L ratio and need someone to blame.

When the story first came out, I was prepared to give Kouta the benefit of the doubt that there was more to the story than what was published in the Hun.

He has elected not to dump on his friends [Jack, his fellow players in the leadership group] and instead has focussed on people that he obviously had major issues - Denis and Collo.

While neither Denis and Collo are without some blame for the BS that went on at the club over the past 5 years, to exclude Kouta's friends makes this autobiography flawed and opens him up to enormous criticism.

To state that he spoke to Lance about his weight issues and then say that Lance was doing all that he can, is ludicrous. The fact that he was also surprised at Lance's dismissal shows a flawed view of the reality of those around him - including himself.

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I hope he was dumbing this down for non-footballers because if the solution was simply 'more kicking and handballing' then if it was such a problem there was nothing stopping the players doing an extra skills session after each formal training session.

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