I agree.

Tim to put the last six years behind us.

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Her articles are the same as that Smith joker's, all about getting a reaction. She is clueless about football and this is apparent with her cringe worthy efforts on the Monday night show.
The simple fact of the matter is most journos would have seen @#$%&! all of Carlton the last few years to make any sort of educated comment.

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That's a ridiculous statement, and you know it.

She may be shithouse on TV, but her articles are more often than not very close to the mark.

The fact that she gets such reactions is often that the truth cuts so close to sensitive nerves. Especially here.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Only the factual posts, not the airy fairy stuff of people in denial of Koutas selective 'honesty'.

Regards Cazzesman

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Guys the point wasnt what she had written, it was the mocking of kouta on readio with condescending words like "oh poor me the coach told me to jump higher or i will get the sack oh i cant sleep at night"

Any story has more than one side and anything that goes into print is pretty much out there to be pecked at but that sort of disrespect really bothered me

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In america, first you get zee shugar, the you get zee power, then you get ze wemen!!!

At least we all know for sure now that Pagan lost the players. People came on here and denied it until they were blue in the face but now it has been exposed for all to see.

Pagan lost the players.

I know, whenever someone posted on here that this had happened you would jump to Pagan's defence and claim it as rubbish. I would read people's arguements with interest but I never really had an opinion one way or the other.

For a start I found it impossible to believe that it was 100% possible, for when you are running around on the footy field it all happens very much in the moment.

Then, I went to a game at the Gabba. And I got to see first hand what everyone was talking about. Then, straight after that Pagan got sacked.

And now Koutoufides has revealed just how deeply this attitude flowed through the Carlton playing group.

No need to be embarrassed that you were wrong. At least we all now know the truth instead of speculating and guessing.

Reckon it's one of her better articles...

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Congratulations CK95

Kouta making excuses for Lance... and talking about what Lance did years ago.. but had no problem doing a hatchet job on Denis.

Thats the problem with Koutas 'honesty'.. its selective.

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Obviously, the biggest problem was the extention of Pagan's contract. Good to see Kouta having a go at Collins.

Believe it or not Sticks had a bit to do with it as well as Collo.. as did the CEO..

The three of them nutted that out...

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She's crap on TV because she is out of here depth. Footy discussion is beyond her, that's why her opinion on footy matters isn't worth shit. How many Carlton games do you reckon she has seen the last few years? If you don't watch the games you can't make a call.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Sticks gets blamed for everything here including ochestrating the 2006 sack Pagan meeting when Kouta in fact admitted it was the leadershipt group.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Someone should write a book with the following chapters:

* Parkin "what's the draft?"
* Who was behind the salary cap rorting?
* Elliott - The Dictator
* Kouta's boots
* Police bungle investigation into Carlton player
* The tirals and tribulations of Brendan Fevola
* Lance
* Lappin, Fev and Houla's drunken rampages
* Kouta, the Million Dollar Man
* What were lance, Stevo and the kids doing out so late
* How Pagan lost the players
* The sacking of Brittain
* SOS - the art of holding a club to ransom
* Contract extentions - who's to blame
* Time to go - Pagan; why did it take so long?
* Sneaky leakers
* Braddles trains alone
* Sticks - every man's man, yesterday's man?
* Were Beaumont and Murphy fighting about Pagan?
* Angwin - big boy lost

That's just a start. There's a lot to be negative about when it comes to Carlton.

In 1978, the Blues had a new coach who the players found it impossible to get on with. Captain Walls effectively sacrificed himself for the team and the Club, in taking action which effectively removed the coach from the Club.

I'm not sure if it is all behind us just yet. I think we handled the Lance thing poorly, in two respects: the president saying Judd could have the captaincy while Lance was still captain, and secondly, the "leak" of Lance being terminated (although I will admit it is possible LANCE leaked it). And Nick Stevens, Fev and others (Scotland?) are still to prove they are 100% professional for mine. And we have a president who has seemingly more issues to confront, and we (I think) still have a larger than desirable number of people on the board (which leads to leaks and "mgt by consensus"). We also have a large number of ex-players who are too prepared to run off at the mouth.

MOST of the crap is behind us, but I sense there might be a bit more to come, unfortunately. And I think the club should operate with the diligence that all is not yet resolved, and that further issues are probable. Then they should take proactive steps to fix all that.

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

We didnt handle Lance badly... he should have taken the option to retire...
Hi problem is he doesnt know what to do with his life now..

He was washed up....

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I agree he should be gone, agree he was washed up, and I have been "off" him for years. That doesn't mean you can say what the president said. And it doesn't mean you can "leak" his sacking. Not good enough. Unprofessional. Just because I like the changes, I like the president, and I like the CEO, doesn't mean I have to like everything they do. Not good enough. We are MORE professional yes, but not professional enough.......YET.

Kouta had every right to say what he did in his book and he has been backed by Mathew Allan and Campo. He also maintains that he, as Captain, spoke to Pagan many times about the Leadership Group's concerns about his coaching methods.

It would have been like speaking to a brick wall in trying to get Pagan to change. I was recently speaking to a mate who was a Reserves Coach at the Kangaroos during the 90's. His comments to me mirror what Kouta says about Pagan not being willing to change. This Chap's comments were "that it was Pagan's way or thehighway!"

The real problem was that Pagan never understood the Carlton culture and should never have been reappointed back in 2005. It just shows what an absolute tosser and d*ckhead Collins was.

The playing group was not the problem, it was the completely useless and disfunctional Boards that we had during Pagan's reign.

Could you imagine Dick Pratt, the current Board or, Greg Swann putting up with Pagan's antics. No1 The end result of a competent and tough Administation is there for all to see with Pagan getting the boot last year. As I have said the biggest contributor to the Pagan debacle was Collins - the complete and utter flowering idiot who gave Pagan his 3 year contract extension.

Lets forget about the Book and Pagan and look forward to our resurgence in 2008.

Interestingly Collo/Smorgon and Pagan gave Lance and Kouta contracts..
Both wanted a new contract...

Can you imagine Swann and Pratt giving LAnce and Kouta or Campo if he was here a contract???

The idiot that gave Pagan a 3 year contract in the first place was Elliot.. Kouta doesnt mention that....

Elliot dragged the cat in..... Collins and Sticks and Maouf re signed him after bringing us 10 meaningess wins of football,... and a pre season cup...

I think most of us believed Pagan was working miracles at the time.. even Kouta Lance Stevens and Lappin.. after all that was a worse team than the one that won a wooden spoon under Brittain..

Why cant peple put things into their CORRECT context???

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