Carlton Draw for 2008

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Stop being logical, dammit, Camel! My point, and indignation, is more to do with the fact that we are one of the biggest teams in the comp. Full stop. The AFL wants big crowds at Swans matches. The AFL schedule a guaranteed match with Collingwood and Essendon* as away teams every year. I reckon we should get the same. We may be a big team in Perth, but how about actual numbers of supporters? What's the realistic size of the market there which justifies 2 matches year in, year out? I'm betting not as big as Sydney.

The generic market may not be as large, but the actual market (ie. those willing to put their hands in their pockets) is probably comparable, or larger in Perth.

My gut instinct would tell me otherwise.

Either way, my other point stands: that Carlton is a nationwide big brand, and as one of the Big 3 teams, we should get a guaranteed match here every season, just as the other 2 of the 3 do. Even if that match is the Nth Sydney preseason, or Who Cares Cup match.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:02 pm

PWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

mjonc · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:21 pm

Stuff the AFL, when will they ever get the draw right?

We want football 45 weeks of the year, that way we play every team 3 times and we also get 7 weeks of training reports from Frank.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:26 pm

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Stop being logical, dammit, Camel! My point, and indignation, is more to do with the fact that we are one of the biggest teams in the comp. Full stop. The AFL wants big crowds at Swans matches. The AFL schedule a guaranteed match with Collingwood and Essendon* as away teams every year. I reckon we should get the same. We may be a big team in Perth, but how about actual numbers of supporters? What's the realistic size of the market there which justifies 2 matches year in, year out? I'm betting not as big as Sydney.

The generic market may not be as large, but the actual market (ie. those willing to put their hands in their pockets) is probably comparable, or larger in Perth.

My gut instinct would tell me otherwise.

It's just as well the club has most likely done some actual research then.

Besides, what we want is irrelevant. As we know, the AFL controls the draw.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Stop being logical, dammit, Camel! My point, and indignation, is more to do with the fact that we are one of the biggest teams in the comp. Full stop. The AFL wants big crowds at Swans matches. The AFL schedule a guaranteed match with Collingwood and Essendon* as away teams every year. I reckon we should get the same. We may be a big team in Perth, but how about actual numbers of supporters? What's the realistic size of the market there which justifies 2 matches year in, year out? I'm betting not as big as Sydney.

The generic market may not be as large, but the actual market (ie. those willing to put their hands in their pockets) is probably comparable, or larger in Perth.

My gut instinct would tell me otherwise.

It's just as well the club has most likely done some actual research then.

Besides, what we want is irrelevant. As we know, the AFL controls the draw.

Don't argue with my gut. It's bigger than you.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:59 pm

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

TruBlueBrad wrote:

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

OK, I will concede that point for now. I'd like to see actual figures though.

Regardless, trying for a regular match up here every year, even if it's a practice match or Wizzie Cup match should be on the Club's agenda.

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

DenimUndies · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:13 pm

sticksaftersiren87 wrote:

oh.... and you have 146 days to get yourselves oganised

So much to do ........... So little time to do it in :shock:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:15 pm

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

OK, I will concede that point for now. I'd like to see actual figures though.

Regardless, trying for a regular match up here every year, even if it's a practice match or Wizzie Cup match should be on the Club's agenda.

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

Yep, worst case a Mickey Mouse Cup game should be played. Hey, they could even play that one in Canberra. :lol:

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:20 pm

Haven't read the other 4 pages, but how does everyone feel about the draw?

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

OK, I will concede that point for now. I'd like to see actual figures though.

Regardless, trying for a regular match up here every year, even if it's a practice match or Wizzie Cup match should be on the Club's agenda.

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

Yep, worst case a Mickey Mouse Cup game should be played. Hey, they could even play that one in Canberra. :lol:

KK-1, Camel-0 :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:30 pm

phoenix johnson wrote:

Haven't read the other 4 pages, but how does everyone feel about the draw?

Apart from KK, who thinks we should play 22 games in Sydney, everyone is pretty happy.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:33 pm

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

OK, I will concede that point for now. I'd like to see actual figures though.

Regardless, trying for a regular match up here every year, even if it's a practice match or Wizzie Cup match should be on the Club's agenda.

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

Yep, worst case a Mickey Mouse Cup game should be played. Hey, they could even play that one in Canberra. :lol:

KK-1, Camel-0 :wink:

Quote:

OK, I will concede that point for now.

KK-1, Camel-1 :lol:

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

camelboy wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Haven't read the other 4 pages, but how does everyone feel about the draw?

Apart from KK, who thinks we should play 22 games in Sydney, everyone is pretty happy.

I'm more in favour of the Big Jack model: 11 home matches in Melbourne, 11 Away matches in Sydney. Who could ask for anything more? :lol:

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

KK I think you vastly underestimate the amount of support we have in Perth. Given its an AFL city and Sydney isn't, our support there would have to be higher.

sticksafterthesiren may be able to confirm how hard the club petitions to have 2 games there, but given the fact we seem to do so would indicate the club thinks our support there is higher also.

OK, I will concede that point for now. I'd like to see actual figures though.

Regardless, trying for a regular match up here every year, even if it's a practice match or Wizzie Cup match should be on the Club's agenda.

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

Yep, worst case a Mickey Mouse Cup game should be played. Hey, they could even play that one in Canberra. :lol:

KK-1, Camel-0 :wink:

Quote:

OK, I will concede that point for now.

KK-1, Camel-1 :lol:

grrofunger · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:28 pm

I reckon theres more carlton supporters in perth than dockers supporters

thehalford · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:52 am **Posts:** 12809

grrofunger wrote:

I reckon theres more carlton supporters in perth than dockers supporters

I reckon there's more Carlton supporters in Sydney than Swans supporters.

Proper supporters, not people who just go for them because they're the locals.

Eliot, Mark, Sydney, Deano, me...5.

Yep, definitely more.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

After all the bad times we have been through, we are now in a period where Carlton will be experiencing a great deal of good fortune - as evidenced by a draw which has only 4 interstate trips.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

The draw shows us we are back as a power - a draw the equal of anyone and we are now back in the company of the power Melbourne clubs - How big will be round one be against the Tigers with the Juddster Stevens and hollywood fevola
By the way looking forward to avenging a huge loss this year in round 22 against the club with the suspect culture
Mjonc thanks for the kind words -you wont believe it but was at PP for training today but regrettably was an hour early -absolute disaster

simonverbeek · **Joined:** Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:38 pm **Posts:** 762

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

It is in Carlton's interest not to concede Sydney (And Canberra) to Collingwood and Essendon*.

I fail to see how that could be argued with.

Is there some imaginary race between Carl Ess and Coll for the Sydney market that we haven't heard about. KK, I usually like your stuff but this is way off.

There will be no market in Sydney. The Swans obviously have a fair share of the market and the AFL is committed to a 2nd team in West Sydney in the next 5-10 years, which WON'T BE CARLTON. So the market will be saturated.

Therefore, it might be important for you personally, but to paint this as an important issue for the CFC is rubbish. It's irrelevant to Carlton whether we play 1 or 0 games in Sydney.

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