Insofar as how 'big' the Koutoufides revelations are, I agree that it comes down to perspective.

As for 'living in the past', I wasn't writing about the financial status of the AFL and clubs, but the culture of the organisations. Regardless of size, institutions have varying cultures. As for tanking, I don't see how this is relevant, as Koutoufides didn't raise the subject as far as I know.

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So if Kouta is simply giving us all the "TRUTH" and it's not simply a way of lining his pockets, will he also be explaining the methods used to tank the last six games of the season?

Or will he staunchly defend the club's "honour" and tell the world that we really are that crap and simply don't know how to score in final quarters of games unles coming from 10 goals down (in which case we seemed to play some pretty exciting football)?

It'll be great to have the inside story at last...

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Hit the nail on the head

Everyone who talks about meeting Kouta say what a top bloke he is. Humble and not a bighead

But this book offering shows the self centred side of the guy.
If Kouta loves the club as he says, he wouldnt even consider writing a bio which blasts Pagan's methods and communication. Stuff we know anyway.
The club has had enough negative press in the last 6 years . We dont need anymore from the past. The other thing is Kouta would of thought about this book for a while while he was playing. All the more reason for not giving him a contract this year. Not only was his body not right but his state of mind wasnt too good either.
I certaintly wont be interested in purchasing the book.

Move on

I really don't see the problem here?

Kouta has written a book................ ..................

In it, he says Pagan was a bad coach...................... .................

My god! WHAT.....A......BASTARD!

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Typical selfish stuff by Kouta who was a supposed leader of the club.
Everyone knew Pagan was a dud of a coach but Kouta in order to sell a few extra copies of a book had to bring it up
Has anyone heard or read of Nathan Buckley bagging Tony Shaws coaching ability?? There lies your difference between a true leader like Buckley compared to Kouta.

Pagan shocked by Kouta's blast
By Gareth Trickey and Jim Wilson
October 26, 2007

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 11,00.html

I guess he'll be donating the profits to charity then...

Respectful...

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What's the deal with people complaining about Kouta not being the type of person they think he should be? He has no requierment to answer to the likes of us.

There are some strange people in this place.

Woop Woooop WOOOOOP................!


kindest regards tommi

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Verbs, after the last 6 years does the club need anymore of this stuff in the back of the Hun.
I thought the club was bigger than the individual

It seems its all about one person here. If kouta wants to write a book which slanders DP then yeah freedom of speech prevails. Maybe a few years later with some slant on what he and Denis might have or havent learnt from the experience would of been more appropriate.

ARE YOU FOR REAL???

Did you actually watch ANY Carlton games in the first 3 years of Pagan's tenure??

Whitnall's career was destroyed in the main part by Pagain keeping Fevola at the club and using Fevola as the main target going forward with his long-kicking game plan. This whole game plan effectively took Whitnall at CHF completely out of the play because the ball was being kicked over his head the majority of the time.
Obviously Whitnall didn't help himself because of his poor conditioning and diet and approach to football but to say that Pagan relied on him in the early years of the Pagan days is a disgrace.

A reliance on Whitnall?? Give me a break. Unfortunately due to the haemorrhageing of senior players leaving the club due to Pagan's methods, Denis found that he had to use Whitnall in a different role - one that he was certainly not suited to.

The fact that Whitnall had an exceptional start to 2006 which enabled him to win the B&F is a testament to how good he was when fit (and not crap about him running around loose off half-back with no opponent cause its just crap that will be spouted by his detractors - no names mentioned but everyone knows who he is. Whitnall played on, and beat some big named CHF's in that early part of 2006)

Anyway, Lance is history and has only himself to blame. Denis is gone and has himself to blame and the club can look up and forward thank God.

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chyna, not sure how your post relates to the piece you quoted.

Norm Smith medal said Pagan has faults, but he is thankful that we were able to win a couple of trophies in that time, it helped to give him hope that we weren't totally and utterly crap.

Synbad,

I know Kouta socially. With the greatest respect Kouta is not about Kouta.

I know many on here have very strong feelings against him, however, on balance he gave more to Carlton than he took.

He was offered big $ - why should he not take the contract?

He had a chance to get the Adidas contract - why should he not pursue it?

Injuries struck him down - he came back well, not as good as he was but still very good.

At all times he publicly represented the club in the best light.

He won't ever be considered as a great captain of the club, but maybe he wasn't captain material and was given the job because no one else stood out - that isn't his fault.

The club may well be better off having moved on from the Kouta era, however, I beleive that Kouta is a true Carlton person.

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Nicely put, OR.

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A...@#$%&! .. men for this comment.

It appears that most supporters around here DO forget this when they talk consistently of the "past 5 years of hell under Pagan".

The trouble at the club started long before... LONG before Pagan came in and as much as I have hurt over the past 5 years under his leadership, I don't reckon that ANY COACH would have done a hell of a lot better.

The issues have been too deeply ingrained in the wood at the Club and it's only this year that the Exterminators have come in and finally getting rid of the @#$%&! termites.

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Keogh wrote



Have you read the book, or are you judging it on Jim Wilson's journalistic sensationalism?




It seems, but is it?



So you're not going to find out whether it's a good read, factual or even a good Carlton story?

Maybe only .001% of the content highlights what really went on with Pagan...and those perceptions portrayed the negaitive side of Pagan and not Carlton...maybe it is more balanced than we know and he writes some positives too?

I didn't expect the media to focus on the fluffy feel good parts of his book, as they want to sell papers and they do that by taking things out of context and sensationalise them. Standard practise.

Seek to understand before you're understood. You might be surprised for the better.

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Amen to that!

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For those of you that do read the book, can you let me know if Kouta is as honest about the final 3 year reign of Big Jack as he was about DP. If he barely touches on Big Jack and what he did to OUR club then I would be even more disappointed in his literary efforts at complete honesty.

Also please let me know if there is any mention as to why he felt the need to bypass DP with his concerns and run straight to the Board. That in itself has me most confused. Why........if he had a problem with DP couldn't he take his delegation in to have a chat with him?

Regards Cazzesman

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Didn't he approach DP? Do you know this Cazz?

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2 excellent points.

Denis was asked i Kouta or anyone came to him with such concerns. He wouldnt answer directly but said he had an open door policy. If none of the players addressed their concerns face to face with the coach, they have no leg to stand on

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