Pagan on SEN...

- Was speaking at a corporate breakfast, and when he finished up he had 18 messages on his phone
- Found a copy of the paper and ... "Interesting to say the least"
- Hasn't been critical of anyone he's coached and won't start now
- Club said he had to get rid of all these old players
- New Corey wouldn't have painted a good picture of him
- Carlton in a good position and well placed to go forward
- Was probably one of Anthony's best supporters
- Doesn't think he was archaic or not supportive
- 3 of top 4 sides this year were good with the long kicking
- Was hard but fair, was very positive at Carlton, can't believe some of the criticisms
- Will take responsibility and not going to use excuses, will move on, AFL is a tough caper
- He was aware that Kouta and the other players called the meeting
- Didn't confirm or deny the comments in regards to Kouta's 200th game
- Club went through terrible financial times, couldn't be critical of the players
- Didn't talk to Kouta about the meeting he had with the board, he knew that they knew he knew
- Kouta didn't speak to him directly in regards to the points raised with the board
- Winning pre-season cups was good financially
- Kouta entitled to his opinion, one of Carlton's greats, doesn't do any good to get involved in a public slanging match
- Good that Carlton is looking good and he hopes the club does fare well
- Good kids, Stevens return and Judd's recruitment, will have a positive domino effect on our kids
- Future in football ... one foot in front of the other, only need one person to push your barrow, been around the block a few times, blah, blah, blah :Paganisms:
- Did Carlton tank? I don't think they could, players are playing for their careers. Not a chance.

Thanks CB,

Interesting to hear DP's perspective.

Due credit to him for not getting in a slanging match with a Carlton great.

Keudos to you DP on maintaining your dignity this morning.

No use in flogging a dead horse

Bad management is bad management it was up to Denis to ensure he got the best out of the group and develop a game that suited the cattle he had - He didn't and he is gone because of it .

Ever worked for an idiot boss Synbad ?????

yeah and i moved on.. why would i stay with an idiot boss doing flower all for 5 years????

If youre commited to be rewarded with money for working for an idiot boss you put in.. if you still cant work for him.. you quit...
But whilst youre there you put in!!!

Or not??
What do you do?
Stay at a dead end job cos it pays but youre losing years of your life??

Kouta wanted his cake and to eat it... thats not how the world works.. he might think it does.. but it doesnt!!!(and 6thats why these blokes didint do everything possible for the club)

I reckon Kouta was too easy on him.

a juicy payout can buy heaps of dignity.

They dont have the luxury of moving from job to job they are hamstrung by the system

They dont have the luxury of moving from job to job they are hamstrung by the system

They dont have the luxury of moving from job to job they are hamstrung by the system

Didnt Kouta ask for another year at the end of last and played this year???
Lance????

All those blokes chgose to stay there and not put in..

If Kouta chose to stay and indeed did have to finish off an existing contract.. he still MUST put in to his best ability.....!!!

Cos he is being paid to!!!

Thats absolute bullshit!!!

Whats good for the goose

Will Kouta be as brutally honest on whether he/ himself.. Campo..Fev... Lance etc did all they could for the members and the club???
Did they put in?
Could they all look themselves in the mirror and say "I did everything i could and gave everything i had for the Carlton football club"?

Thanks CB,

Interesting to hear DP's perspective.

Due credit to him for not getting in a slanging match with a Carlton great.

Keudos to you DP on maintaining your dignity this morning.

Post of the week.

Clearly Pagan wasnt up to the job. But the 'senior' players, Kouta included were paid a lot of money to do a job and failed.
I am a big Kouta fan. This was unecessary at this time. The club is in its most exciting phase, trying to get everything right. To sell his book, he has to bring the club down again.

Its not a crime to have old fashioned coaching methods. Pagan did what he was capable of, It wasn't good enough. It was up to the club to get rid of him if he was no good. Instead they re-signed him. Did Kouta and Stevo and lappin and Whits go to the board after 2004 and the 2005 night series and say get rid of this guy. By the time they held this meeting he still had a 2 year $1.4m contact. Did they take a pay cut to pay him out. Where was the money supposed to come from.

For Kouta to complain about playing to win the NAB cup is a joke. The year we won it we beat the eagles by a kick or so. They made the Grannie that year.

Are we forgetting that in Brittains last year with all the great players happy with the coach and mcKernan firing we finished last.