A blessing in disguise

Lace Out · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:50 pm

AGRO wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

it allowed us to do one thing of great benefit...stock up on a raft of top draft picks. .

Unfortunately we did not do it soon enough. We wasted a year in 2003 - recruiting and trading for some 2nd graders - and finished 10th in 2004 - which meant we starting further back in the National Draft than we should have.

:wink:

Thank God we didn't do it soon enough then!

If we had of we would of most likely missed out on Gibbs and JUDD, maybe even Murphy...And that Kruezer bloke might come in handy too.... :wink:

We have ended up with better players because of this, including being in the box seat in the super draft.

Car17on · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:06 pm

Siegfried wrote:

WC should be stripped of draft picks over the Cousins situation

Please let it happen!!! The other outcome would be that Benny would go to the draft and we would get him early and we'd then have the Weagles strengths on our side!! Just wonder that if that happened would we return to the problems we had with LA and KN?!

camel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:22 pm

Sydney Blue, Ivan Milat just called, he wants to hire you as his PR man.

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:24 pm

camelboy wrote:

buzzaaaah wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

Tell me if Judd doesn't perform are you going to linch the board for trading away picks 3 ,20 and Kennedy - because it isn't much different to what the old board used to do.

Mansfield, O'reilly, Davenport. McGuane McKernan ...... Nah not the same

Sean Charles.

Skinny and Dean Rice are about the only success stories, with so many failures to counter the method.

Bloody hell, it stems right back to Glen Hawker...

It stems right back to Peter McKenna

Humpers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:28 pm **Posts:** 4953

Goddard isn't a huge loss IMO and Wells hasn't lived up to my expectations either.

The "extra" early pick in 2003 probably would have got us either Tenace or Bradley (maybe McLean??) who are being delisted.

The 2002 sanctions could have been a blessing in disguise however we really blew it in 2004 when we missed out on Deledio, Griffen, Franklin and Roughhead by obtaining 10 wins with a precentage of 70%. Saying that we probably wouldn't have Murphy, Gibbs, Judd or Kreuzer if we did well out of that draft.

Time will tell....maybe the sanctions were a blessing in disguise.

Wet Willie · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:57 pm

p(12)terg wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

WC should be stripped of draft picks over the Cousins situation

Please let it happen!!! The other outcome would be that Benny would go to the draft and we would get him early and we'd then have the Weagles strengths on our side!! Just wonder that if that happened would we return to the problems we had with LA and KN?!

Taking a stand against drugs was probably one of the key things that put Carlton into a position to get Judd...look who he knocked back.

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:05 pm

I don't know about 'blessings in disguise' - sounds a bit too romantic and idealistic. There is no doubting how horrid our list coming out of 2003 and into subsequent years - we were so terrible we would have had to have had 3 years on the bottom as an absolute minimum in any case, barring magnificent luck with Pick 70's in successive years.

Who knows? With Franklin added to the forward line, Whitnall traded to Melbourne at the time he was wanted for Nathan Jones (pick 12, say) and another year on the bottom giving us Murphy or Gibbs, we'd all still be excited about the future.

Either way, I think Carlton were destined to sit on the bottom because we didn't know that our chances for the Premiership had left us by 2001, and we continued to not know for years by the look of it.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

What happened in 2002 cut out a cancerous culture at the club; a cancer that had infected the administration, the players and the supporters. The operation was performed by several surgeons, the AFL, the supporters and even Pagan.

So far Pratt is a vastly different President than Elliot. It is like he has all of Elliot's strengths (x10) and none of Elliot's weaknesses.

TenOutOfTen · **Joined:** Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:57 pm **Posts:** 457

phoenix johnson wrote:

Regardless of what people may think, the onfield penalties handed down to us were a good thing. It was the kick in the pants that we had needed for so long.

However, as I've been telling opposition supporters over the past month, whether we win or we lose, in the end we always win. If you go right back to the penalties in 02, it's fairly accurate.

We lost Goddard, Wells, Powell and Pick 18. However, we picked up Fisher and Simpson. Two kids who have extremely bright futures at the club. Especially Simmo.

In 03 we picked up Walker and Stevens. The AFL didn't penalise us out of a priority pick or a PSD that year and it worked out for us.

I guess not much happened in 04.

05 we're right back in the draft and take Marc Murphy from Brisbane's grasp

06 the F/S laws work in our favour and we draft Gibbs.

And this year we have finished 2nd last, recruited Judd and kept our #1 draft pick.

So while people piss and moan and still have a grudge against the AFL, I prefer to look at it from the other side and like to think we have picked up some extremely good talent since those penalties.

If someone had come to me the Saturday after the penalties were handed down and said "in the next 5 years you are going to pick up Andrew Walker, Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs and Chris Judd" I wouldn't have believed them

It was the bleakest period in our club's history, yet strangely I think it will produce the most fruitful period in our club's history. We were still operating like an old VFL club, even in the early 2000s. We hadn't adapted to the new ways of the AFL and long before the 2002-2003 draft pick-less period, we were giving away youth to get that little bit more out of our current crop.

But now we're smarter. We're a ****load smarter. We've had to dwell at the bottom for over 5-6 years. That bitter, everlasting taste of humiliation and failure won't allow us to ever be so reckless and neglectful again.

It will make us a modern day powerhouse. The buck had to stop. It has well and truly stopped now

A blessing in disguise

Who is online