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Mark Robinson in the Hun intimated in his article about Cousins that the AFL had a lot to think about with Cousins and Dick Pratt and whether he should be allowed to head the club - :garthp: and flower off you flowering tool!



























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Ryan - you should have sent in your submission to the ACCC inquiry into the price of unleaded petrol. The ACCC only monitor the petrol prices and the media has picked up on the ACCC media release in June in which the ACCC detected a substantial divergence between movements in domestic petrol prices and movements in the international benchmark price for refined petrol (i.e Singapore Mogas 95 Unleaded)...so when Singapore dropped it's price - and the prices in Australia kept rising - Peter Costello called for an inquiry...that process is now complete (it was a public inquiry and completely transparent) and a report went to the Treasurer on Monday October 15.

With oil prices currently going ballistic - I'm expecting you'll be paying considerably more for your petrol by Christmas...does that worry me - no...I went long on oil when it hit $65 a barrel and i think it'll get to $100 if North America has a cold winter. As for what happened back in June with the big petrol companies - my advice is to watch this space...something might just happen.

How is this related to Carlton? Not sure - but as green as he is - i don't reckon Chris Judd drives a Prius.


I drive a Jeep Wrangler................. :cry: I love her so much, but bloody hell she cleans me dry on the petrol.

$80 will do me about 340km's :cry:

But what really frustrates me is that we are made to spend $50 on groceries JUST to get a discount for petrol so we end up paying the price we should be paying in the first place anyway.......................

Most of the people who go to Coles or Safeway ONLY BECUASE THEY WANT THAT DISCOUNT VOUCHER are usually families who are just trying to make ends meet! And they are quite clearly the ones that these companies are targeting!

But it's ok.................... Cardboard boxes are a much bigger issue these days.

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Big Footy has spoken...

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Bruce Mathieson was one of the guys who came up with the supermarket/petrol discount scheme! Seems wherever you go you're never going to get away from the Carlton influence across the business world and how it affects our daily lives.

As for the Jeep - I'm jealous! MacGyver was my boyhood idol and i always wanted to emulate him in driving a Jeep. Alas - the Mazda Tribute will have to suffice.


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Name one industry where there isn't a duopoly?

(two big companies with no real competition and then nothing else)

retail

coles vs woolworths

airline

star alliance vs one world

petrol ?

i am sure it is the same - two big companies setting the price.
BP vs???

music companies?

sony vs emi.

if they are dead set keen on making competition then go after those industries as well.

I will be only supporting visyboard by the way - keep on fighting Dick.
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Our best mate Patrick Smith, following a talkback caller, now raising questions over Pratt's suitability to be a club President...

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So we're going after people over civil offences now are we dear Fatprick?

Hell, serial cheater Ron Evans and Spotless had a good run via the AFL didn't they Fatprick.

:lol:

Mind you, this is not suport for what Dick has done. In my opinion he deserves what he is getting and more.

But Fatprick sitting in judgement on people? Now that is funny.


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People asking for Carlton to be punnished becuase of Pratt's outside football dealings are just pure nut jobs wanting to bring Carlton down..

This Visy price fixing took place between 2001-2004, at a time Dick Pratt wasnt even involved at Carlton in any capacity, little own President...
If worst comes to worst, Dick Pratt may choose to step aside and a new president would be appointed. But for people to suggest Carlton to be stripped of draft picks because of this, its just pure and utter lunacy.

Not surprisingly, the most vocal anti Carlton people are supporters of scum heap teams like Collingwood, Essendon*, Richmond and St. Kilda whose clubs have done jack shizen (in terms of premierships) to take advantage while we've been down, and are now pooing their pants knowing Carlton is on the ride once again...

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Not sure - but as green as he is - i don't reckon Chris Judd drives a Prius.


He does. A red one. 8) :wink:

Let's not forget that Dick does a heap of philanthropy - a lot of good things for a lot of people. He made a mistake, and he said that ultimately the buck stops with him, and he apologized to all those that were affected by a possible price rise.

FWIW it may have been management below that did the deed but the 'buck' stops with him. I suppose there are no excuses though. He will bounce back though. He has been contrite about it all and is prepared to take his punishment.

So let's wait and see. There's a lot of huff and puff at the moment and that's understandable, but people could be making too much of it by saying that he shouldn't be President.

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Hell, serial cheater Ron Evans and Spotless had a good run via the AFL didn't they Fatprick.



Apparently it was quite alright for Ron's company to gouge the living bejesus out of the public at the MCG with Pies at $4, Water at $4 and beer at $5.

Although apparently Ron Evan's excuse for the beer being so expensive was the cost of the 30 cent cardboard beer trays made by Visy.

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[quote="DownUnderChick"]Mark Robinson in the Hun intimated in his article about Cousins that the AFL had a lot to think about with Cousins and Dick Pratt and whether he should be allowed to head the club - :garthp: and flower off you flowering tool!

always fascinates me, how sports writers get themselves into all sorts of bother when they stray into areas which have no relevance to what they are paid to do.

the AFL does not have to do anything

if cousins has breached his conditions to play, then WC should sack him..simple as that...nothing to do with AFL

if Cousins is sacked he has to try his luck at getting somewhere else...wether now or at some time in the future ...not likely for all sorts of reasons...again nothing to do with AFL

the ACCC fine is a civil matter and not a criminal matter and therefore does not influence directorships etc.

if the AFL think it can do anything about DP, then they are sadly and miserably mistaken ! CFC is a coy by g'tee, it is a legally independent entity and the AFL has no influence .... I dare them to try..... it would be bloody and ugly and the AFL would loose more than it would gain :twisted:





























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This Visy price fixing took place between 2001-2004, at a time Dick Pratt wasnt even involved at Carlton in any capacity, little own President...


"little own" - a newy but a goody!

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tap in 79 wrote:
Name one industry where there isn't a duopoly?

(two big companies with no real competition and then nothing else)

retail

coles vs woolworths

airline

star alliance vs one world

petrol ?

i am sure it is the same - two big companies setting the price.
BP vs???

music companies?

sony vs emi.

if they are dead set keen on making competition then go after those industries as well.

I will be only supporting visyboard by the way - keep on fighting Dick.
We're behind you.


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tap in 79 wrote:
Name one industry where there isn't a duopoly?

(two big companies with no real competition and then nothing else)

retail

coles vs woolworths

airline

star alliance vs one world

petrol ?

i am sure it is the same - two big companies setting the price.
BP vs???

music companies?

sony vs emi.

if they are dead set keen on making competition then go after those industries as well.

I will be only supporting visyboard by the way - keep on fighting Dick.
We're behind you.


Jedi vs Sith


Labor vs Liberal

Democrats vs Republicans

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 11,00.html

Now the fatprick is on the act:

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Pratt's fate should be obvious. If he does not have the dignity to step down as president himself, then the Carlton board should summon the courage and chop him immediately.



get [REDACTED] you @#$%&! idiot.

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bluechucky wrote:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22611334-23211,00.html

Now the fatprick is on the act:

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Pratt's fate should be obvious. If he does not have the dignity to step down as president himself, then the Carlton board should summon the courage and chop him immediately.



get flower you flower idiot.


Pfft.. Fatprick... Another dipsh*t article coming from the same man who claimed Carlton would've sacked JK had he not agreed to go to the Toastars....

You gotta admitt, Fatprick is good for the ennvironment... thats another article for the compost heap..

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We have to be careful not to excuse what Pratt did as what he did was extremely wrong, and not a minor infraction. He delibrately ripped the public off through his price fixing. This lead to him earning signinficant profits. Any other person and we would be jumping up and down. Imagine if this was Eddie!

I certaintly have a diminished view of him now. Not sure how I feel about him being president now.


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Australia is the land of the government mandated "Duopoly/Oligopoly".


You want to do something about it - elect a government that will do something about it - instead of whinging about "rip-offs".

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Patrick Smith is still banging on about Pratt's suitability as Carlton president. Now, I'll admit that the price-fixing rorts at Visy are not a great look. But, apart from that I cannot see what this has to do with the position of Carlton president.

When Smith vigourously defends the Eagles sacking of Cousins he can offer hard facts and solid reasoning for doing so.

When attacking Pratt's suitability for presidency at Carlton he lacks any solid foundation for holding this position. This is a copy of an email I sent in to SEN just now <hungryforsport@sen.com.au>...

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Since admitting to the price-fixing offences has Richard Pratt been forced to relinquish his role at Visy?

No.

So why should he be expected to do so at Carlton? Given that the offence Patrick is so hung up about had absolutely NOTHING to do with Carlton and moreover, the offences took place before he had an official role at Carlton. On what grounds should he not be allowed to continue his role at the club? The grounds that Patrick Smith hates Carlton are not sufficient in my opinion.

And what if Visy dobbed on Amcor first, would Patrick still be asking for Pratt to step aside? It takes two companies to collude on pricing, and yet, only one is copping the heat???


Maybe he's just dirty that Carlton have won 16 grand finals and Essendon* have only won 14 grand finals???

Maybe he's just dirty that his team under achieved c1999???

Maybe he's just scared that Carlton will get to premiership #17 first???

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Patrick Smith is still banging on about Pratt's suitability as Carlton president. Now, I'll admit that the price-fixing rorts at Visy are not a great look. But, apart from that I cannot see what this has to do with the position of Carlton president.

When Smith vigourously defends the Eagles sacking of Cousins he can offer hard facts and solid reasoning for doing so.

When attacking Pratt's suitability for presidency at Carlton he lacks any solid foundation for holding this position. This is a copy of an email I sent in to SEN just now <hungryforsport>...

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KB and Patrick

Since admitting to the price-fixing offences has Richard Pratt been forced to relinquish his role at Visy?

No.

So why should he be expected to do so at Carlton? Given that the offence Patrick is so hung up about had absolutely NOTHING to do with Carlton and moreover, the offences took place before he had an official role at Carlton. On what grounds should he not be allowed to continue his role at the club? The grounds that Patrick Smith hates Carlton are not sufficient in my opinion.

And what if Visy dobbed on Amcor first, would Patrick still be asking for Pratt to step aside? It takes two companies to collude on pricing, and yet, only one is copping the heat???


Maybe he's just dirty that Carlton have won 16 grand finals and Essendon* have only won 14 grand finals???

Maybe he's just dirty that his team under achieved c1999???

Maybe he's just scared that Carlton will get to premiership #17 first???

:roll:


Or maybe he is just an old flowerwit!

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What Pratt did was obviously wrong, but I don't have a black&white view of these things.

The Victorian Government was perfectly happy to have a monopoly on lotteries for decades. A monopoly on casino's was also approved by the Government. Petrol pricing is mysteriously similar across all the chains. Coles and Woolworths are quietly being allowed to buy up liquor licences and split the market between themselves. Qantas and Virgin's airfares are very, very similar just about all of the time. Both major political parties do all they can to ensure a third or fourth party is never allowed to challeng their position.

and so on and so on.

So he did wrong, and is being punished. But does his behaviour make him any worse than the people involved in the above scenarios?


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