Well we'll know when Lance goes into the PSD and see if another club picks him up.

Nixon also paid out on the club, calling our administration 'pathetic' for the leak, and saying that we'll never be any good while we have such leaks occuring.

Here's a tip ricky - your client is finished, but your relationship with the CFC will be ongoing. Show some class, pal.

Lance met with Ratten, Icke and Swann.

The medical report is saying he won't be able to train 100% or play 100% on the field, because his knee has no cartliage. The medical report says he'll only be able to train once a week.

The club doesn't think he'll be able to play AFL due to medical reasons, but the decision hasn't been finalised.

Nixon has spat the dummy at Carlton, criticising Pratt for saying Judd should be captain when Lance is the captain, showing Lance a total disrespect. Nixon said this would never have been said about Buckley at Collingwood.

You are a tool Nixon comparing Buckley to Whitnall.

Nixon also said the leaks out of Carlton are the worst in the league and we will never go anywhere until they are professional.

Nixon's proposal is that Lance be left on the list and if he can't compete at AFL level next year he can be put on the long term injury list and a rookie promoted.

Nixon seems to be of the mind that Carlton's position on Whitnall is final.

So what do we want people- Leave Whitnall on the list or delist him and take another player in the Pre Season Draft?

For mine the decision is pretty simple.

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I know many here are revelling in the bile and hatred being thrown our way (and I am too to an extent) but I think it's getting out of hand now. Nixon, Waldron, Nisbett, Eddie, Demetriou, Roos, and it would seem the entire media fraternity are all jumping on the bandwagon.

It seems that anyone can get away with public defamation of a football club all of a sudden just because it's us and it's the 'in' thing to do. Something needs to be said to get this shit under control. You can say whatever you want about Carlton with absolute immunity from persecution or legal ramifications it seems, which seems a bit out of place considering how tight the AFL is about this.

This shit has to stop.

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someone must have leaked for the news.com.au article - if it was from within the club - its a disgrace - if it was from whitnall/nixon - it is also a disgrace.

Personally I'd be prepared to offer lance another year (1yr base contract+performance/match incentives) as I feel he could still make a reasoanble contribution to the club - To do so, I'd look to delist (and perhaps redraft) another player in order to by pass the minimum 3 draft picks rule and still maintain a PSD pick

As an example - cloke/bannister/saddington are unlikely to be picked up by other clubs should they be delisted and would be around for selection 46.

Lance (who has had weight issues and fitness problems for 10 years anyway) can only train once a week and play under capacity for ever and Nixon and others want another year contract

It doesnt make sense. Why would we???

Thanks for the service Lance but you will only damage your own repuatation as well as the clubs. Go out gracefully and shut Nixon up. I saw that tool at the GF. pissed as a fart, carrying on, chanting "St Kilda, St Kilda " in the men's toilets in response to cats fans goading him.

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Which begs the question - why would anyone have made him captain?

Surely blind freddy could have seen Nick Stevens was a much better option. Playing favourites from the coaching panel with players is no longer an option.

Winning football matches is all that matters now.

Its funny how Nixon's clients inc Laidley, ?Mark Williams and Lance have all had info about contracts etc leaked, but it was never Nixon

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I'd say no official decision has been made yet but I'd imagine Lance is about to be "retired" given the unfavourable medical report. Lance is the last person who'll get away with training once a week. Be sad to see him go but if he can't perform well, so be it. Hopefully he can still play some role within the club in another capacity as a he has an excellent football brain.

They are all shit-scared that we are on the way back - and when we get there we can just thumb our noses (how irish is that?) at them all.

We didn't make the rules that got us the draft picks, etc - and remember how collingwood tanked a couple of years back by sending players for early operations. and how everyone else got early picks because they were hopeless, any no-one whinged about them!!.

No, we know we are on the way back when these dogs are on our case!!!

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exactly my point in an earlier post.

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Lance was a gun early in his career... I remember someone in the media predicted in about 2000 that Lance could end up being as good as Carey... unfortunately injury and lack of self discipline let him down... While injuries are part of the game of football, hes got no one else to blame but himself for his weight and lack of fitness issues over the last 5 years...

Big Red was a gun in his heyday, but could ve been much much more...

All the best Lance

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Defamation doesn't apply to organizations or in the form of personal opinions I don't think.

The best thing for Carlton to do is just put their head down, arse up and work on being the best club it can. '@#$%&! the rest' doesn't mean getting pretty about all this shit in the media.

And in regards to Lance:

It's sad to see him go but to rue any lack of chances is a bit rich, he's a rabble.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Lance, thanks for the memories. Hope the books of history, paint you right.

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Hey, I just want some money for the 20 crownies I bought him!

Seriously, if the price is right, I would keep Lance for another year, but on very tight and minimal contract with bonuses - similar to that we put Matthew Allen on. Lance could still possibly be useful if fit.

Either way, I do appreciate what lance has done for the team - could he have been better - well from what pagan and ratten have said, it appears he could have been more disciplined in respect of fitness, and therefore, I suppose one can be left somewhat disappointed he didn't apply himself more. In the end, only whitnall and the insiders know whether he has applied himself enough.

Is that fair comment King Kerna??

Swan on 3AW now- stumbling around. Denies he's been sacked- still thinking about options?

I love it how everyone has turned against us. Let's hope the boys get inspiration from this and have a ripper year in 08. It's the only way to shut these pricks up.

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I've posted my fondest memories of him in another thread soI can afford to be not so sentimental in this thread.

The sad thing with Lance and how history will remember him is that he had enormous potential, but let himself down through his unwillingness to become an elite athelete in every sense of the word - not just about getting paid oodles of dollars, but applying himself to keeping his greatest asset in tip top condition.

He was forever taking short cuts in his career and the fact that his career has ended so soon, must fall sqaurely at his feet.

Now to Nixon - his contention that the 'leak' came from the club is laughable, when 1. we kept another secret for 6 months without telling a soul! 2. every mother and their greyhound knew that Red was gone after the year that he had and also being out of contract.

Whitnall's biggest problem has been that he has always had people making excuses for him throughout his career. His club, his coaches, his manager, his parents and his fans.

If wearing a Carlton jumper made you immune to criticism, then the Hack, O'Reilly, McGuane et al should never be bagged by any of us, ever again.

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Sorry guys, don't agree. As much as i love Whitnall.
There is nothing to be gained by keeping Lance on minimum wage/bonuses.

PRO's and CON's
He won't help us win our next premiership.
He has nothing to offer our list off-field, because he never set the right example when he was there.
As recent as early this year, he was involved in the pub incident at a time when he put his hand up for the captaincy.
He will take away an opportunity from another kid to be on our list and show his wares.

Whichever way you slice and dice it.
It's time to thank Lance and move on.
Time for a new era....and cup 17.

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