Oh ook i wasnt for the trade early.
Once the club had made up ts mind it was going after the best footbaler in the country.. well it was a case of getting behind it.
I wasnt happy for JK...

But you know what?
Following Carlton is really about winning...it always has been till recently.
Recently it al went wrong.. and Carlton wasnt about winning.
We were not winning on the field we wernt winnng off the field..

Right now were making some positive gains... were no longer broke... !!
We have a very good list of young players coming through but nothing (or very little ) in terms of players that know how to win..

Players and administratrs for varous reasons have been sucking this club dry since the turn of the century.. and the cupboard was bare.. bare wth a playing list and bare with finances.

We had been castarated.. yet we still put ur hands into our pockets and tried to support the club ... the crowds didnt drop and the memberships didnt plummet

Right now the club is turning around.. but it still needs a Judd... it needs a Judd on the field and it needs a Judd off the field.
We need sponsorships that can bring this club back to where it should be . Those sponsors need a face... (Kennedy wont facilitate this )... the club needs more members.. bigger crwds so we can be on FTA TV..and then force a move to the MCG...
Which means that we do have the right people in place because we can afford to play them.. and those right people will set up an infrustructure around the playng list to make them more succesful footbalers and people..

Everything has a price!!!

If we didnt need Pratt Swann Judd etc .. wed have Smorgon and Pagan...
JK would have been a dud footballer because we couldnt bankroll his development...and hed have been delisted anyway...

MAybe!!!

OR JK could go to a club where thery do have the facilities to develop him immediately.. and allow him to fulfill his potential... and in doing so.. we can continue on with his sacrifice to begin to rebuild ourselves.

MAke no mistake.. Judd is not JUST about bragging rights... he is a massive building block to making this club viable... in ever sense of the word..



Its never easy.... but Judd paves the way for so much for this club and the kids that are left and are not yet still in the system...to take advantage of what he will bring with him.

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The defence rests!
Oi ,still off the fags bruz?

Will there be a sense of resentment towards Chris ?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Kind of mate... i started again when i thought we were @#$%&! up the tanking..
Then again the last couple of days.. but im off them again.

If youre down this way let me know.. love to catch up again

Ill even bring my own ciggies along..

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If that question is directed at me,I can only quote from one player,and
the answer is no.

No from what i understand the players are rapt to be playing alongsde of him next year

The JK thing has left a sour taste in everyones mouth because we see a kid that showed passion and commitent to the club.
Something older players have lacked in the past few years...

JK will get over it... and im sure i speak for EVERY carlton supporter...he is one of us anyway.. except when they play us.

He still should have some life long mates from his time here,

But today he is a WC player and Judd is one of us...

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Healthy thread. If we ever reach the point where we are all completely comfortable trading a good young kid then we're all in trouble. Thankfully we're not there yet.

Reminds me of the Croad to Freo deal deal in some respects. Love to see JK arrive back at PP in two years time for a song. Lets just think of WC as minding Josh for us in the meantime.

If anything the anger should be directed towards Richmond. If they hadn't played their stupid games we may have been able to keep JK. I hope we make them bleed in terms of salary cap for years to come. Deledio anyone?

The club is bigger than any individual.

Sorry to see Josh go, however it was in the best interests of the CFC.

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i like to think of it as a loan deal.
Carlton traded picks three, 20 and a 24 month loan of Promising key forward Josh Kennedy in exchange for Chris Judd and Pick 46.

One of us

One of us

One of us.


QFT!

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If you are wise you'll listen to me

Yep.

Thanks Guys. I actually needed a thread like this.
I'm sure I'm not alone.

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Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne

WC wanted JK; Carlton wanted Judd; I wanted Kruezer, Cotchin and keep JK. I didn't believe we'd get Judd anyway.

Am I happy JK's gone? No!

Am I happy Judd's a Carlton boy? @#$%&! yeah. Never in my wildest dreams I thought it could happen.

Trade JK or Walker? JK

I can see the pros and cons of Walker, and there are more pros, and a bloody big upside to exploit too!

I'd love to see Walker in the middle, but gees, when he's breaking the lines and defending well in the backline, I look in amazement and wonder if we can afford to take Walkers effectiveness in the backline. Who is going to replace his strength, ability and speed?

Walker will sort out his right foor kicking, firstly by getting his groin right. Look both JK and Walker have shown some bad kicking, and both are (were) part our future resurgence over the next decade.

JK is gone now, others will take his place from future trades, drafts or from an opportunity created ny JK's departure. Life goes on.

Bragging rights come from winning. The effect Judd coming to Carlton I knew was going to be good, but I have to say it is overwhelming....unbelievable...I pinch myself, even today.

Once he was signed, and we lost JK, I have to say I changed my feelings about the JK ordeal. So we lost 3, JK and 20..............for Judd FFS....and we retained pick #1 (hopefully) for Kruezer.

Are we better off with Kreuzer and Judd (the best in the land) or would we be better off with Kruezer, Cotchin, Kennedy & pick 20?

Well imo, we have served a 5 year sentence, and I prefer to look at things in 5 year blocks than 10 year blocks. In that case, we're much, much better off with Judd for the next 5 years for a plethora of reasons:

ON FIELD:

Leadership
Inspiration
Development of the kids (in skill and spirit)
More wins in 2008, than without him
More wins = more team confidence
Carlton is an attraction for elite players (not high draft picks) to come to in future drafts .
We can fast track our journey to finals.
Relieves Stevens and Murphy of the hardest tags.

OFF FIELD:

Memberships
Positive media
increased media coverage
sponsorships
merchandising
leverage
board success = board stability
planning ahead

In one instance the name JUDD has changed the face of the mighty club...I hear it, I see it and I feel it. It's true, we're well and truly in our renaissance, this aint no party, this aint no disco, this aint no foolin' around.

Let go of JK. It's done and dusted. Enjoy the ride; it's on the up. Lets get high.

The Carlton renaissance is now for real!

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Professional sport is pragmatic and cynical.

The fans who keep it alive have two choices: become disillusioned by the pragmatism and cynicism and walk away (thereby killing the sport) or choose to ignore the cynicism and hold onto the good bits.

Personally, I choose to turn a blind eye to a lot of the murky stuff that goes on behind the scenes. I know it exists, but I want to love my club and enjoy my football, so I just put the blinkers on.

The alternative is to walk away. I'm pretty sure that option isn't a healthy one for either the game, or the players who earn their living from it and rely on our patronage and TV ratings.

It's really sad for JK, but it's a deal 16 out of 16 clubs would've done.

I know what you're saying DOA, and I empathise. But all these boys don't have to play professional football at the highest level. Just like a finance professional may choose NOT to work for Macquarie Bank because he actually wants some semblance of a balanced life, a young footballer could choose to have a 'real' job, and play VFL or in the ammo's.

There he'd find mateship, loyalty and all the good stuff that makes a life worth living. But he wouldn't find the money, the fame or have the chance to pit himself against the very best.

Choices. We all have them.

ps - for what it's worth, I reckon footy was heaps better before all the money came into it. But there's no putting that genie back now.

..disclaimer - sorry to see JK go..

..ok, now that i've established that.. ..the club has all it's assets, and in a way it's playing list is just another group of assets.. ..there's no point holding onto the really good/loyal kids with potential vs trading them for a bonafide champion and all he brings to the club off-field.. ..there's been lots of afl players that have shown potential and never achieved it, i hope for JK that he does achieve his potential, but you can't bank on it.. ..potential doesn't win you games, and winning games is what we need to do..

..to think that this has opened the players eyes, i think is selling these players short.. they all know that their contracts revolve around their output, and this goes for most careers out there..

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As I said to Rob - the funny (?) thing in all of this is that despite the sad defection of JK, I think its fair to say on an individual level Andy's game will improve 1000% alongside CJ.

..morale is a huge thing, whatever loss of morale there is with JK's departure, it's dwarfed by the boost in morale the Juddifyer brings..

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DOA thanks for contributing to this site, and reminding us all of the human reality.

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"Two roads diverged in a wood,
and I,
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference."

Robert Frost

I was as excited as anyone to see Judd in a Carlton jumper, but to then see JK at his press conference putting on what appeared to me to be a brave face was completely shattering. This industry sucks.

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Which Chris are you talking about?

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