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buzzaaaah wrote:
Football is the business.

Hiring and firing is the CEOs job.
Ratten is there to coach the team with the support of the coaching team. He's not Grant Thomas who runs everything.

Again its all speculation, ratten may not have been very committed to mitchell. We will never know.

Once Ratten is a double premiership coach at carlton, he may get to decide who goes and stays. His input has to be important but atm esp with Mitchell, the decision isnt his


Where does it end though Buzz? Is he allowed to pick what players he wants to keep? How he wants to conduct training? Is he allowed to pick the team even if Swann doesn't with his selections?
Call me a traditionalist but I don't want to see Swann handling footy matters as much as I wouldn't want Ratten handling business matters.

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Interesting theory from RR on the junior dev role.

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Its hard to argue with you, because I believe that the coach should have a lot of control also.

But in this regard, I am happy for Swann to make the final call. Sticks and ratten are too close to Mitchell to make an objective decision.

Would Swan really sack Mitchell if he was the best coach available. he has no loyalty to pagan.

I am sure the Riley hiring was more Rattens call than Swanns. If they get sumich, it'll be because Ratten wants to work with him. I am sure Ratten is happy with what he is ending up with

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Pagan still hurting the club even after he's gone! Mitchell is a huge loss.


Mitchell was a flower useless player and has been wasting our clubs time in every role he has had since he finished playing.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Bloke should NEVER have been given an assistants role, let alone the Bullants job.


Carlton will be better now that this buffoon has been exited!

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chyna wrote:
Mitchell was a flower useless player and has been wasting our clubs time in every role he has had since he finished playing.


What a load of uninformed rubbish. :roll:

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Don't think Sumich will be at PP next year ...


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Don't think Sumich will be at PP next year ...
Why is that Kenny?


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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
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Don't think Sumich will be at PP next year ...
Why is that Kenny?


But Bluey and Sumich would be a great package !!!

I'd be pretty happy with Ratts, Suma Bluey, Braddles and Riley.... That would keep me happy for a while. :P

Unlikely though... :(

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All he did was accept an offer of a head coaching role?

Surely not Mark harvey's "head job"?

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Who is Gary O'Sullivan? Meeting Icke at CFC tomorrow re position according to SEN just now.


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Ah, Bullants' General Manager. I geddit


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Garry is GM of the Bullants...they will be discussing who to replace Mitchell with.


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HTP wrote:
Who is Gary O'Sullivan? Meeting Icke at CFC tomorrow re position according to SEN just now.


Gary O"Sullivan is General Manager of the Ants.Also happens to be Shane O"Sullivan's brother.He also at one time was Richmonds recruiting manager.

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Does anyone know if O'Sullivan is the Bullants General Manager?

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I don't think so.


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Mitchell sacking - great news and about bloody time!

Swann has finally righted what he failed to do early on in the piece and got rid of him.

A victory of sorts for the professionalism that Swann brings versus the ???? :? that Sticks brings.

Mitchell can now run off and focus on bringing back that show (was it a radio show??) he & Rhino used to do years ago.


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Quite a few of the players were absolutely gutted by the decision.

The early mail on Digbys initial reaction is he will be looking elsewhere to play next year... and a few of the players only hung around a financially weak club like the Bullants cos of Mitchell...

Some could have played elsewhere for more..

But they will stick around and see who is replacing him befiore commiting to a change.


I suppose he had to go so as to show its not a boys club...

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I couldn't really care less how Bullants players react to Mitchell's sacking. To me, the Bullants are the Carlton Reserves. As in the old days of the Reserves competition, winning or losing really doesn't matter much - only the development of young players capable of playing for Carlton does. Perhaps winning games might have a benefit in that regard, and having experienced Bullants players to help give the reserves team some structure might be some help. But the Hawks appear to be able to benefit from the Box Hill Hawks even though they've been uncompetitive. And if the Bullants players are of lesser quality, that will reduce the temptation to give them key roles that could provide our youngsters with valuable experience.


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What a load of bollocks indie.
See the Bullant as reserves, fine.
But I think it does matter what our young players and the leaders of the ressies think of their coach.
What we need, may get is continuity between the 1sts and 2nds, regardless of who the coach is.
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Pedro, I never said that I didn't care less about what the Carlton-listed players thought of Mitchell's sacking. I was referring only to those non-Carlton-listed players who are solely Bullants players. And I don't care less about their views.

I know that Diggers is a big supporter of Mitchell. There's no news there. If he doesn't like Mitchell's sacking, he can go elsewhere. That's a good way to weed out malcontents and allow the new Bullants coach a fair go. Determining whether it's good to have Diggers in the side is not a simple matter. He may well provide some guidance to the Carlton-listed players onfield. On the other hand, as an experienced and high-quality VFL player, the coach's obligation to do the best thing by the Bullants might see the forward line structured about him rather than some of our young forwards like JK, Harts or Edwards. And his presence might stifle the ability of our youngsters to hone their own leadership skills.

Given that we've retained the alliance with the Bullants rather than going it alone, there will continue to be a tension between the needs of the Bullants (principally the need to win and make the finals) and Carlton's desire to see our players developed in an appropriate fashion.

That's why I'm not particularly concerned about the Bullants-only players. Their interests are not the same as Carlton's.

Synbad hasn't suggested that the Carlton-listed players are upset by Mitchell's sacking. But even if they are, the players' support of a coach has never been the decisive factor when it comes to retaining or sacking the coach. Great examples of that are Melbourne's dismissal of Daniher and St Kilda's dismissal of Thomas. In both cases, the players had made it clear that they wanted the coach retained, and key players were devastated by their sacking. But naturally enough, once the change was made the players fell in behind the new coach. That will happen at the Bullants too. Those who don't want to play under a new coach will leave and be replaced by those who do (e.g. if Deano takes over, he'll have a few blokes who want to play under him). Life goes on.


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