Yes Lance may be struggling but he has about another 20 team mates struggling just as much. Lance is a easy target, I doubt anyone complained back in 2000 when we had to pay the big bucks to keep him.

And many on here also applauded him durring the Wizzard Cup. There are more unperforming players than Lance and in fact I would delist about ten before I would even think of getting rid of Lance.

Yes Lance is paid big bucks however this will change come the end of the year. You can't cut 50% of the list so lets fix the descrepency in his pay and delist the players that performing even worse than big red.

Our immediate attention should be to improve our defence, recruit hard inside players and players in general that can hit a forward, Lance is not any of these!

Fix these problems and you may find Lance may play better football.

The PP will make Lance play better footy...its the only way

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HEAR HEAR!!!

Lance has a market value we will get whatever he is worth on the market.
Lance wont be here for the next premiership.. i hope i am.... thats why he has to go.... unless we get bugger all and he wants to stay for 150k

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Exactly my point, I doubt anyone will want to trade a 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd draft pick so I would keep Lance and offer no more than 150k.

I can see Lance playing good football when he has good players around him. However we have more than 10 players on our list that would struggle to get a kick even if they were playing for the Eagles and there is the difference.

I wouldnt be so sure. If the coming draft is as weak as they´re saying then a 2nd round pick wont be worth what it was last year and with a draft light on talent I´d say clubs would prefer to take a chance on a proven player down on form. I reckon we´ll get a 2nd round pick for him but then what will a 2nd round pick be worth in the coming draft? I´m guessing but < a 3rd rounder from last year, is that what we want? I dont think so.

As already stated, Lance will look very different with some talented youngsters around him.

TruBlueBrad know it all - who would u delist at end of season?

It's really not that hard.

5 Wins or 20 Points we GET a PP

5.5 Wins or 22 Points: We DON'T get a PP

The focus on Lances wages is the main thing - we need to be paying him market value, which is muhc less than he is supposedly on. Does anyone know when his contract expires?

Please, no more 185cm:80kg mid-fielders!!!!! We need bodies to play key positions and key forwards to help out Fev and Lance (if retained).

Walker, Russell, Blackwell, Carrazzo, Bentick, Simpson, Betts......... It's why I was so happy we got hold of Hartlett - at least he has the potential to grow into a KPP - just a shame he got injured.

I'd be going after Kozitschke big time!! He should be right in our radar.

Hear Hear Hear.

Actually AGRO Gez is on the mark here, there is an increasing expectation that getting the PP and an early draft pick will fix the problem. It won't far from it in fact. I have no doubt if we are still struggling next year and the kid does not prove to be a Judd or a Deludio then he will be ripped to shreads by some. You will find that I will end up arguing that he needs at least a couple of seasons before we can expect the beginning of a return.

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But if he doesn't get traded, and we only offer $150k, i wouldn't be surprised to see him nominate for the PSD with a $225 price tag on his head. You'd think someone would pay that if it was only costing them a PSD pick...

And there lays the crust of the argument.

Clarke
Bannister
Bryan
Longmuir
Bowyer
Johnson

I don't think now is the right time to speculate, but at this stage these are the ones who come to mind and this is without consulting the entire list or giving it any real thought.

Definitely would not be de-listing Sporn, Wiggins, Davies, Simpson or Bentick.

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Nobody here is claiming that a PP and an early draft will immediately fix our problems. What we're saying is that a PP and an early draft gives you the BEST CHANCE of getting some A grade, genuine matchwinners into a list that is threadbare on talent. Note that I said "best chance" because there are No Guarantees. JUST AS THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES WITH ANYTHING IN LIFE!!... BUT DOES THAT MEAN YOU SHOULD STOP TRYING TO GIVE YOURSELF THE "BEST CHANCE" POSSIBLE?????

Yep, let's not worry about getting a Priority Pick coz we fear some of our fairweather fans will bag the player in their first couple of seasons!! Compelling argument! You've convinced me!

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Not sure if I've given my vie won this yet... which is odd for me... BUT

I think we're overstating our problems. I think we've gone from a poor list to an average if not uninspiring list in 2 years. This has been a great transition. Unfortunately we have too many of the same type of player - the defensive midfield tryer who probably just ain't good enough on his own. Bannister, Sporn, Wiggins, Prenders, Johnson etc. See our performance in the 2's - much better, much more solid, fewer mistakes than 2 years ago.

What the list needs is a few flashes of brilliance and ball winning ability to bring these guys into the game. I think with 2 great midfielders we actually wouldn't be too far off it. The main complication is the retirement of Kouta, a huge hole to fill in the upcoming years, but I really don't think we're that bad. YES we're 16th but we're not horrible. We have improved and we just need a Deledio plus a Power and Russell / Hartlett to be stars and we're in the midst of significant improvement.

Thanks Frank for the inspiration.

I think you're spot on as usual. Thats why the calls to delist some of these players are crazy. Once they have better players around them they'll be able to play the support role's they're suited too.

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have you actually read the whole thread bluebernz?

no body here that i can see has actually said anything like what your suggesting.

bluemark simply said he will feel sorry for anyone we land with PP, (seems most people are crossing our fingers and toes that we get one), as the pressure and expecations of some supporters (fairweather ones as you've pointed out) are going to be too high.

thats all.



AGRO had a go at him saying that if out PP selection is superman they he wont save us. which is precicely the point bluemark is trying to make.
now you've chimed in with even further misguided and unfounded comments

Can you imagine adding:

-> a Top 1-2 pick from this year's draft

PLUS

-> another Top 4 pick

PLUS

-> a good experienced player from the PSD

To:
Walker, Waite, Fisher, OHailpin, Simmo, Thornton, Betts, Russell, Hartlett, Raso, Smith, Blackwell, Bentick etc etc.

Bloody Hell. I'm creaming myself just thinking about it.

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