I hope you are right there.
Develop and build your own. Look at the Hawks for goodness sake

Pick 3 won't be on a 5 year multi million dollar contract

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We are building our own!

One player doesn't change that.

Judd would be the iceing on the cake.

If we got Judd, and he stayed fit, who knows where we'd be in 2 years.

I think the club has probably learnt from previous mistakes, re salary cap etc...have some faith people

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I personally believe that the offer won't be 1 mil a year to play... I personally think Carlton will be smart and pay him for arguements sake, 750k per year... the rest will come from "working" a day or two here and there for Visy and assosciated sponsors....

It's the media Cazz....on the News tonight; it was reported that Icke and Pratt flew to Perth today to hopefully do a deal with Judd; and the "biggest deal in AFL history could follow these discussions"

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calm down!

No way!

Look who the @#$%&! is Icke - sticky icky, icky the worm - sticky icky was a worm as small as small can be...

as for Swann, well I always figured him to be a magpie plant (or a big black or white bird).

And Pratt, well I mean, the name says it all really, what would a Pratt @#$%&! know!

Its a plot I tells ya!

A damn plot!

and now this cazzette man comes on here and tells me to calm down! No way man, I ain't falling for no jive talking from that man!

Beware. beware the eyes of Judd... the knees, ankles, shoulders, hips, balls and other wobbly thingies of Judd!

Rome wasn't built in a day and five years of crap is far better than winning games of football!

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Dannyboy thanks for some more wisdom from you...


ANYWAY... to me its about where were going as a club.
Were about to invest many millions of dollars in creating a development factory and in my opinion id like to see us back what were building by backing ourselves.
In my opinion the best way to greatness is to grow it from WITHIN.

If we are frightened to invest in ourselves and our own recriting (picks 1 and 3 to go with what we already have) well we might as well close up shp and not worry about this academy /development/traning facility thinggy.

To me Judd is already into the second half of his career.

Hes played what? 130 plus gaes?
I cat see him playing many more than 250... the way he plays footy.
Get a kid like Morton with Kreuzer and develop them to compiment and support Murph Walker Waite Simmo Betts Gibbs Kennedy etc.. and we will have a bigger wndow opening to a flag..

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And we all know where the media get their stories from nowadays....

Of course, any thing that Pratt is involved with is going to scream "get him at all costs" to the media.

I spy with my little eye

no no its

gaze into the cyrtsal ball

no its
I see your 3 and raise it a PP

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Of course you'd want him.

But the question that remains is ONLY AT THE RIGHT PRICE.

Remember, that we hold the chips at the table. If Wet Toast ask for too much, then PSD is what happens. They know that, Carlton knows that.

We will have to give fair compensation but we can't and won't need to go over the top.

It wouldn't surprise me if we send Scotland over there as part of a trade. Eagles get an instant ball-winner and sweeper off HB which allows them to play Waters or Rosa in the midfield.

The people who are complaining about his injury probably didn't say anything about Judd at the start of the season or until he did the groin in one particular match.

Hodge had OP - hence the early part of his career wasn't in the midfield. He still plays HBF/sweeper.

Ball's problem is that the way the Saints medicos have run the list, they're all getting injured. Also the guy is a suicidal maniac. I think comparing the 3 is irrelevant.

Judd will probably give us 120 games. I wouldn't pay him $1M. 700K - yes, the rest can come in financial endorsements, long term employment prospects etc.

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But he could be an Aaron Fiora clone...

No to Judd.....will want 1.2-1.5 mill a year for five years and I just dont like the thought of another Kouta deal.
Couple that with what we will lose trade wise and I think its madness...the other clubs will drive the price up....it will be pick 3, Fev and something else minimum..maybe Josh Kennedy.
Hawthorn have played finals on the back of some solid youth recruiting and good development..lets learn from that and stop trying to buy our way out of trouble.
By all means look for some smart trades where possible but this is too much of a gamble....

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No offence Clem but Scotland isnt the sort of player who is going to appeal to a hard nut like Worsfold.....they will want Fev and one of the top WA kids like Morton, Palmer or Masten with a early pick like our pick 3 just for starters....

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Let's just leave the decision in fevolution's hands.

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Champion teams consistently win premierships, not a team with a few champions. If Judd goes down again, then what? If Judd means losing other great players or picks (that will secure great long term players) than I'm not for it. Plus footy is all about emotions/feelings and I'll enjoy the premierships so much more with organically grown players holding the cup. Guys that have never won a premiership anywhere else. Some people will say, but what about 1995, we had a lot of recycled players... but none of which were premiership stars or captains of other clubs. They will always be known as Carlton premiership players nothing else. Do people think of Earl Spalding as that Melbourne guy that couldn't kick? Or that courageous pack busting Carlton CHF - that Blues premiership player. Ah the romance of football.

or Judd in PSD, sure I'll take it

btw, if Judd does come to Carlton, would people want him is captain? I certainly wouldn't. How would that make guys like Simmo, Gibbs, Murph, Stevo etc feel? Guys that have done (or are doing) their apprentiship and want to be leaders.

You are never going to have a completely organic team.

Every premiership team in living memory has had at least a few retreads in it (1993 might be the exception).

Organic produce is over-rated.

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I can't but help go back to that sickening afternoon when Kouta's days of winning matches ended. Five years is a bloody long time in footy and to give an already-injured player with suspect shoulders a five year deal is possibly repeating history.
I would love a fit Judd in the team as would everybody but i certainly don't want to see im sitting on the bench for the last three of them because he can't pay a full game.
I am one of those who wanted him when he wasn't injured and now I'm not sure. To me it just goes to show how quickly a player can go downhill. His age is on his side but is it worth the risk? I still say we are going to need salary cap space in a few years to keep this list together and the numbers being bandied around make me nervous about medium term list managament.
If we can get him through the PSD, lets do it. He will lay down his terms and if Richmond can meet them, so be it but if not and we can genuinely afford to pay him what he wants, lets do it but please lets not trade away the last #3 pick we are going to get for ten years.

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I only eat organic. In fact I only eat what I grow in my backyard.

I never said that it has to be completely organic. We have a couple of retreads in the side right now. This is a judd topic right? So I am talking specifically about Judd and the fact that he is a premiership captain of another club. I wouldn't want to give up early picks or young guns like Kennedy to get him. I wouldn't enjoy a premiership as much off the back of retread premiership captain of another club. Invest the money into Carlton resources and Carlton players. That is the best way for sustained success. Putting all our eggs in one basket is a flawed approach.

At the end of the day, I guess it all depends upon what is on offer for Judd. If it is relatively cheap (picks, players and $$) then fine. Otherwise, hold firm and do it organically.

Sorry about the typos in my last post but I couldn't edit it before you interrupted, Dog.

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Your dog must be nervous in winter time in NYC when the veggie garden is looking a bit sparse.

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