How do we pay for all these blue chip players in TPP in 2010 with Judd taking 16% of our TPP?

Hold firm. Do it the organic way. Unless Judd comes very cheaply. And by that I mean no loss of top players under the age of 25 and losing nothing more than the 3rd pick. Even that I don't want to lose. The money concerns me also. 1/7 of the cap taken up by one player. Not the best move.

I dont mind that attitude Headplant. I reckon we have got guns in from all over the place in the past and most times it has resulted in flags.
Sure the big $deal we gave Kouta didnt work out as well as planned due to his knee but other circumstances added to that looking worse than it was. ie Bad recruiting, bad coaching and an unstable club.
I reckon we go all out for Judd. Even give him the forst half of next year off to get himself right. I agree with most who reckon we will only get 5 years out of him and he wont be around when gibbs and murphy are at their peak but i think in that having him at the club for 5 years even if playing at 80% would be so benificial to all our young players.
Their peak in 4 years will be a lot higher then than it will be if they are looking to Fev for inspiration.

Getting judd will set us up for 8-10 years. Could even snowball on from there.

Totally agree.It will make us a stronger and better club if we can develop "in house".Im just worried that we are becoming Judd obsessed.We need to be patient.
Last year Geelong seemingly had no onfield leaders,poor deveopment of their younger players and coaching problems.They have addressed all these issues in one season.
No reason why we cant do the same and stick with the youth policy through the draft.

While I'll be jubilant if Judd wears navy blue, I think I'm in the hold firm camp, but only just.

The whole "Kouta contract" scenario scares the shit out of me, I don't want to see our club overcommit in such a fashion again.

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If were going to commit all that money to Judd, expect us to do a thorough medical check first.
I ust see Juddy as the final piece to the puzzle in many respects- he can aid in both long and short term development, and really set us up as a force to be reckoned with again in both the long and short term.

We leave that to those in charge. If they are gun players we find a way to pay them if not we cant then we trade them for top ten picks.

Draw our team out on a piece of paper. Then plonk Judds name in the centre. Its beautiful.

Hold firm. Build our own. The cost will just be too high.

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I was very impressed last night with Matthew Priddis....a ball magnet; and Mark LeCras....both midfielders picked up cheaply and locally.

I'm not convinced that we necessarily need Chris Judd in his somewhat doubtful medical condition, that may....or may not allow him to return to his power packed bursting thru packs style again.

I was told that Rebecca Twigley wanted to stay in Perth; and surely the Eagles are not going to let a 100% fit (post operation) Chris Judd leave the Club?

I would think they'd sell the Grandstand to keep him if he was still the best player in the AFL?

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I'm on the fence with this one.

I can see what HP is saying. We pay Judd the $5mill that is being reported and we run the risk of going through another Kouta situation again, thus restricting our ability to properly pay guys like Murph, Gibbs Kreuzer etc down the track.

But I also can see what Josh is saying too. If I was Kade Simpson or Marc Murphy or Stevo and Pratt walked in and said "you'll be playing along side Juddy next year", my heart would skip a beat and I would be ecstatic. We do have a lot of young midfielders on our list and the knowledge he would be able to pass on to them would be extremely invaluable.

BTW, Josh, exactly how hard are we going at Judd?

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Pavlich thought long and hard about our offer..he was by all reports blown away by it. but the play weve made for Judd is the Pav one on steroids!
think investment opportunities, big business connections etc etc..
were going at him very very hard

Brian Waldron....CEO of the Storm, said on KB's Show on SEN a month ago that Judd was heading to Carlton.

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That's what I want to hear.

I just feel that it could be over the line and with the Eagles going out in straight sets it will make his decision a little easier. Besides, the papers have been talking up Judd coming to Carlton whenever they can. Sure they've mentioned Essendon* and Collingwood, but our name keeps coming up so there has to be some morsel of truth to it.

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Judd looks like he is half way or more to becoming an broken down old footballer. I sure hope that injury is something that will get better.

Ive said that we may well trade a name player and this might mean an experienced player comes to Carlton.

What worries me is that our due diligence of the deal doesnt make us end up with back ending problems with contracts and/or injury problems.

If the deal has risks of going down either of these roads - then stick with what we have.

It really should only be a very juicy deal if Carlton is to bite - otherwise - stay away.

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I appreciate that Judd has injury concerns, but how can people assume that pick 3 is risk free ?

To reduce the financial risk could we do the opposite to the Kouta contract and front load his contract while we have lots of room now with a young side.

I know we have gone through the pain but I feel pick 3 is a bonus for us.

On 3AW this afternoon they were saying that while Judd would not want to shaft the Eagles he would not want Carlton to give up pick 1 and or any talented players as he would want to play with talent here to make an assault for the finals.

Oh and Pago reckons that if Carlton picked up Judd, they would play finals next year...................

Hmmm...me thinks Pagan's is trying to cover his coaching....

Firstly he says that we should give up 1,3 and Fev. To me that says he has an underlying arrogance to not see us succeed in the short-term, thus justifying his coaching...

Secondly he says if we get Judd we'll play finals next year. Is he now covering himself ahead of time, in the even that we did get Judd and played finals under a better game strategy that Judd would've made the difference to us playing finals using his coaching strategies.

See either way here he will look good as Carlton unfold...

But maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

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i would not discount what Paga says on this point...
Ratten made it clear that he expects to play finals in 09 ... the coaching team honestly think they are not too far away.

Just look at how Collingwoods younger kids have stepped up this year (including the finals). It would be amazing it the blues played finals next year. We would need a lot of luck on the injuries front. If we can maintain some structure along our spine and add a Judd to the midfield and get a full season out of Stevens and Murphy and Walker we could surprise.

if the price is right then of course you will get Judd ... the hard question to answer is ... what is the right price?

if I were WC I would want either pick 1 or 3 (IMHO this is not the deal breaker and won't make that much difference) and a quality player which is what I think will be what makes or breaks the deal. WC still very much in contention for the flag next year so the will not want compensation in picks alone. They will want a player to make the difference. Fev is the obvious player!

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Don't use Geelong as an example... sure some great recruiting and player development - but there is one main reason behind why their team is so top-notch.

Father/Son.

The Club, Icke and the Recruiters aren't Judd obsessed. The supporters on the various footy sites and the media ARE Judd obsessed.

It would be irresponsible of CFC not to put a toe in the water to enquire about his availability. The facts, figures and draft picks CFC is supposedly giving away a pure fiction and speculation, all by the people who don't know eve from adam.

We are not giving away the house to get the backyard swimming pool so lets all calm down and wait to see what unfolds.

Regards Cazzesman

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