Sydney Blue = Surrey Blue's alter ego?

They're too much alike for it to be a coincidence.

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We are the logans

Massive where are you we need help over here

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Geez Agro, go easy on the Synbad pills

Wondered the same myself Bluebernz, even the initials match up...

Anyhow...

In my opinion, there are some players who are really on the borderline this year and how many will go at the end of the year really depends on how many we can draft.

If we get a priority pick, then we'll get picks 1, 2, 18, 34, 50, 66 as our 6 picks. If Whitnall goes for an additional pick in say round 2, then we'll have 6 picks in the top 50.

If we have 2 2nd round picks, we may trade for a player who can give us much needed grunt - and besides with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds, a mature body would help the kids develop no end.

We have 38 on the list, therefore to draft 6 after trading Whitnall say, we need to chop 7, and this is assuming that we don't promote any rookies. If we promote Setanta, then we chop 8. If we promote any more then we have to chop accordingly.

1. Bowyer*
2. Clarke*
3. Bannister*
4. Johnson*
5. Bryan (I suspect he will be a like a Mott and unless he shows the required intensity he's gawn)
6. Norman#
7. Morrell

* = likely to be out of contract at year's end
# = signed a contract but may chop because of attitude problems

They are my top 7 - the ones looking at the chop the year after will probably include Scotland, Sporn, Wiggins, Davies, Prendergast, Teague

Why Teague? He's not a genuine HBF, he's a stop-gap CHB who's too slow and too short. I feel for him, but like Manton, we're asking him to do jobs that don't suit him. Not only that, but a genuine HBF needs to be capable of attacking and disposing well into the F50. That David hasn't shown yet. He hasn't the toe or the smooth disposal skills.

You can't delist all the players at once, you just can't. Some of you need to look at it logically if you want to delist players like Bentick and Simpson. They're barely 21 if that, and Bentick is into his 2nd season, Simmo into his 3rd. For crying out loud some of you...

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Fair enough review of the list by Cyclonus and the players who may get the chop...I dont think they will axe that many as its not practical even though it maybe whats needed and I think Simpson, Bentick, Chambers and Deluca will get another year. Dont agree on Benticks skills being shabby, he is a lightly framed kid and as a result tends to rush a few of his disposals..

Agree with BM on the saviour aspect...England have been trying to find a new"Botham" for a couple of decades and we look like we are doing the same..remember Livo was the new Kernahan...Walker the new Kouta....
Its time we all realised that players who are saviour material come along very infrequently and it might take us a while to get the new Kernahan..

Cooney is only in his 2nd year, and he did play 19 games AFL games in his first year on our list. A better example would be Farren Ray, who is a top 5 pick, but is being gradually introduced to the rigours of AFL while his body catches up with his brain.

Blubbering_mess has a good point about turning over too many players in one time. In recent seasons, both Richmond and Carlton did this with mixed success. Why delist another 3-4 extra players when the draft talent pool only has the likes of Shane Morrison, Simon Fletcher, Ricky Mott, Stephen Kenna, etc.. left to choose from. May as well had a squad of 35.

As blubbering_mess suggested, you really do need to have foot soldier types who can do a job in certain positions. Geelong's side is almost full of these types. If 7-8 are to go, they should be the players that have had numerous chances and have not shown an ability to hold down a set position. Anyone else should be persisted with in the set position that Pagan wants them to play. Gives these players some confidence when they are given a job to do by their coach.

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Sorry was in isolation room.

I have been pushing up for Bryan and wanting him to get a game but I did see what his detractors have been saying about him in the first half of the Willy game. He was lazy and his ruckwork was poor and he let a equally lethargic Cameron Cloke jump all over him .
Second half he did much better and his kicking is a feature of his game..I would give him a couple of games rather just dismiss him without seeing if his attitude might improve with senior selection..talent wize he is better than Prenda or Deluca its more about his work ethic and attitude...

Can I just say, Sydney Blue are you aka JavaBlue?

I couldn't be happier when we got Pagan over and thought he would sort the club out and get us back on the correct road. My belief is starting to waiver.

The two questions I have are;
At what cost has his appointment come? How many more past and present "Carlton" people are we going to isolate? God knows there are plenty of disgruntled people which we have never had before within our club. Is this what we want or expect from our club? Past players not wanting to return or get involved.

The second one and probably more pertinent, why is Pagan having so many problems with "all" our senior listed players including some that are still playing? Did we allow them total control under Pagan/Brittain/Elliott that they where running the whole football department? and if so, why hasn't he been able to convince them to believe in him?

Geelongs foot soldiers would be B graders in our team and we would be wetting our pants if we had N Ablett and Lonergan as fringe players. I dont believe in hanging onto players if they are not good enough ..would rather have pick 100 and pick up a u18 kid like Eddie Betts and take the chance than hang onto a player like Clarke who will not improve...

Great minds think alike Elwood

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Careful you two the experts around this site say you cant have a bunch of young kids all playing together you have to have that balance of OLD - new and recycled hacks .Why would you even think of giving a young unknown a chance when you can rely likes of Mott-Hartford - Martyn- clarke- Johnson- Scotland etc etc etc

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isn't it amazing how things change in a couple of months. after the wizzer the big issue was who were going to be unlucky enough to lose their place on the carlton list? now it's who is going to be lucky enough to retain their spot on the list?

for those who think we might get a 1st or 2nd round pick for whitnall, think again. it's not going to happen. he wasn't worth it last year at the trade table. what makes you think that clubs will be more inclined to give up early picks for him this year? a 3rd or 4th rounder at best, or just a stright up player for player trade. IMO it would be better to hold on to him on a vastly reduced contract. he is no longer going to be a key player at any club. he is going to be a really good 3rd option forward or back. so why not keep him as our own 3rd forward or back option? we are not going to get a dominant KP forward or back for him either by player for player trade or the pick we end up with for him, so i'd rather retain him on the list. he is still handy for us, and far from being a liability.

If I couldnt get a trade for Lance I would delist him...wont produce for 500K a year so I dont see him doing it for 150K and being bitter about the wage drop...if he wins a flag for Essendon* or Stkilda etc ..tough...

I'm inclined to what Elwood is saying. We can't afford to be sentimental - if he can't produce what we're looking for then he has to be shipped out. If no-one wants him then that's the way the cookie crumbles and he can play for Bendigo or Williamstown.

We'd be lucky to get a 2nd round pick for him and if it was offered, then i'd take it. Clubs might be more willing to take him this time because he's out of contract and if he's willing to accept a pay cut then he might be of some value (if another club deems it to be so) but he's not going to produce it at Carlton, which is a shame, but there's no room to be sentimental.

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I'd take a second round pick for him.

At the moment, that's the best we are going to get for him.

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I'd drool over a second round pick for him.

If Thomson was worth two 1st rounders(not that I think he was) you are definately selling Lance short.

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All we need to do is to trade for Thomson, stick Lance's brain in his body, wait for a lightning strike and then trade Lance Thmoson for 4 first rounders

Not bad, may also be a good way to fast track the Irish lads

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