Not really. It's hard to see a "Carlton" player improve if you trade him for a second or third round draft pick (ie he's no longer a Carlton player), which is what you want to do

218 - Carrazzo - Deserevd it! Congratulations! Not bad for a rookie pick-up!
212 - Scotland - Had a good year. Hope he does it again in 08'
144 - Waite - WOW! A bit of a shock really. Good year, but 3rd?
142 - Houlihan - Ditto. Although he has gone up a notch since Pagan left. Play him forward in 08'.
126 - Simpson (5th) - Was my selection for B&F. Showed true spirit and leadership this year, even before he became captain. Hope he gets the nod in 08'. Carrazzo & Scotland are in perfect position to rack up endless amounts of possesions!

94 - Fevola - Sure, agree with that.
90 - Fisher - Probably would have swapped him with Waite's 3rd.
86 - Bentick - Shock to see him so high, although he had a good start!
74 - Gibbs - Good on ya kid. Polling so high after playing 12+games in defense AND in your 1st year no less. Couldn't have asked for anything more from the kid. Exceeded my expectations!
58 - Walker (10th) - I was picking him for a top 3 finish earlier on in the year. I'm a bit dissapointed cause i love the kid so much!
53 - Murphy - So low due to getting so much attention post-stevens. Will win the B&F in the next few years!

(NOTE:- SETANTA SHOULD BE HERE--->_____________ )

30 - Bower - Killer end to the season. Expecting great things from him in 08'.
26 - Thornton- Very dissapointed in Thorntons year. Sometimes he looked like he didn't even care. Hope it's just a bad year.
16 - Whitnall - poor, from your captain.
15 - Kennedy - will poll higher next year.

10 - Ohailpin - FAR TOO LOW IMHO!!!!! WAY WAY WAY TOO LOW! Did everything asked of him and more! Played forward, back, mid & ruck! Should be much much higher than Thornton,Saddington, Whitnall, Kennedy, Bower & Lappin IMHO.

6 - Russell - Sorry, i know he's still young and learning, but not good enough from a 3rd year player with the amount of games he got! Hope he steps up next year.

0 - Ackland - Was pisses me off the most is that this lazy prick will still get games next year JUST BEACUSE he has a 3 year contract. Screw him......piss him off NOW! I don't want our new recruits getting to the club and seeing us rewarding a player that obviously doesn't give two shits about the club or his team-mates! Sends the wrong message!

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Games that players scored votes in:

15 - Carrazzo
15 - Scotland
12 - Houlihan
12 - Simpson
10 - Waite
10 - Fisher
9 - Walker
8- Bentick
8 - Gibbs
7 - Fevola
6 - Murphy
5 - Betts
5 - Thornton
5 - Bannister

'Stand out' games (20+ votes):

Carrazzo 5
Waite 4
Scotland, Houlihan, Simpson 2
Fisher, Stevens, Gibbs, Walker, Fevola, Lappin 1

Probably true that Waite did better than others because he had more 'Stand out' games but otherwise number of games scoring votes is pretty simlar to how they finished. Bentick managed 8th without any 'Stand out' games but 8th most in number of games. Fevola had only one 'Stand out' game and votes in less games than others but still came 6th.

the more i think about it...what a load of crap setanta finished below saddington, kennedy...ect. and fisher should have been much higher...but Setanta was robbed! lets hope he does better next year.

Looks like BlueWorld may have a good spreadsheet on all this but for those hack statisticians like me interested in the votes and stats for the year, you can access them in a simple summary in the Blueseum:

http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-downlo ... ?fileId=14

Carrots had 3 more polling games that Simmo, but 90 more votes! Explain that!

Although Carrots deserved to be right up the top, there is no way he was a 40% better player than Simmo this year. Carrots racked up possessions at will, but were they damaging? How many times does Carrots get the pill and run hard with it like Simmo?

A classic Simmo posession is getting the pill from 1st, 2nd, 3rd efforts and then running hard with it, having a bounce and delivering ball long with more precision.

And according to our awesome voting system, Nick Stevens had a better season than Setanta!

# Name Games G B K H Avg M Total Dis
17 - Setanta Ó hAilpín 22 13 3 124 107 10.5 62 231

5 - Josh Kennedy 13 6 5 57 40 7.5 50 97

31 - Jordan Bannister 12 6 3 91 67 13.2 63 158

9 - Jason Saddington 12 4 0 75 72 12.2 76 147

18 - Paul Bower 10 1 Nil 63 66 12.9 45 129


Hmmmmmmmmmm, something SERIOUSLY wrong there!

Don't get me wrong, i'm not in the least trying to say that stats mean everything or saying that Kennedy, Bower, Saddo, Banno had poor seasons but Setanta was EASILLY better and more consistant than those players yet he finishes lower than them?

WHAT?

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My Votes on the night:
3. BOG, Murph's girlfriend, a number one pick. Ticks all the boxes.
2. Jacko's girlfriend extra votes for wearing Jacko's Carlton jumper late back at Odean after.
1. Sugar's lady, just to show my hidden depth away from blondes. Very nice and had more intensity than Cain at the bar. Nice dress too a bit less flashy.

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Hi every1, long time reader first time poster and all that junk. it's only taken a year for my first post lol. Just wondering if any1 who attended the b&f has posted any pics up on the net??

Pics?

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You don't get votes for just rocking up and getting a couple of kicks. This award is for the best player and considering Setanta conceded a lot of goals when played in defence and was beaten badly in the ruck when he played there where would he be getting these votes from?
I don't want to kick the guy as he's coming along nicely but he isn't anywhere near a top player yet.

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Could you name for me somebody in the team that DIDN'T concede a great number of goals?

I'd like to see the stats, but i'd dare say that Setanta was actually one of our better defenders. Dare i say it, he was a much stronger performer than the likes of Thornton and Saddo who just happen to poll better than him.

Ditto Bower, who played less that 10 games.......

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of how we are judging in the B&F.

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Sorry guys no pics, my friend took one of me and the Ranga (Lance) on his blackberry thingo but its so hazy it looks like it's through nightvision goggles.

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After the first 6 or so weeks Setanta had conceded the most goals to his opponent in the AFL.

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There's a few photos up on the club site now...

http://carltonfc.com.au/Season2007/News ... wsId=50914

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Are you talking about when our game plan was to kick 150 points a game and let the opposition do likewise?? That's Pagan's fault not Setanta's. Think back to how many cheap ones Lloyd kicked on him. Under Ratts game plan you won't see Setanta get ample goals kicked on him.

As I said I'm not bagging the guy just saying he can't get best player votes if he's getting out rucked and lots of goals kicked on him otherwise we may as well call it the Mediocre and Fairest award.

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I think you'll find that many had him in the best against Essendon* when he had 6 (cheap ones) kicked on him. And I certainly thought Jamison was in our best last week against Melbourne (after getting 6 kicked on him). I'm not saying that Setanta was our best player this year, but I think he deserved more votes that he got.

Well in the TC voting Setanta finished in 21st place and got 3 votes comapred to the winners 49 votes (equivalent to 6% of the winners votes).

In the official B&F Setanta finished in 23rd place and got 10 votes compared to the winners 218 votes (equivalent to 4.5% of the winners votes).

Not much difference there.

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