I never rated Jetta ahead of Hampson...
I rated Proud ahead of Grigg.


Then i got pissed of with everybody!!!!


i still prefer proud

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fair point. But then that argument should go both ways. The people calling for Hughesy's dismissal (they know who they are) should also wait a few years.

here we go

Indie you are an angry man. No offence intended. I actually just said "some feel we should have picked him with 19 and perhaps pick jetta with 17." I never said that I felt that way. In fact I said I'm am more than happy with having Hampson and Grigg. I was just trying to help everyone understand the situation. But anyway.

Peace

p.s. thanks wasthesonofapreacherman trying to clear that up you were right on the money

Jamison came on the reccomendation of Crossisca who coached him at VFL last year

The jury is well and truly still out on Wayne Hughes as our chief recruiter.The truth is we can't assess him for a few years yet.

Our success with 2nd and 3rd round picks has been minimal so far compared to other clubs (even though it's very early days).

Hartlett, Bower, Edwards, Hampson, Grigg, Austin, Benjamin - it's these types of players that will define Hughes' legacy (not Murph or Gibba). My main concern with some of these blokes (include Russel too) has been that they look unnatural playing footy compared to other clubs' recruits who just slot in. Development contributes to this

The scary thing is that it takes 3-4 years to work out if they're any good, and if they're not then the next 3-4 drafts will be engineered by a guy that might be no good. It's that recruiting 'lag' that makes any decision on a recruiter difficult

Personally, I'd still hang on to Hughes but with a very watchful eye, mainly because we just don't know yet.

And BTW, as nice as it was to see Hampson do a few decent things on Sun, it was the most uncompetitive game in VFL/AFL history and nothing that occured should be held in any regard. I like the look of Hammo but the jury is still out on him (and we won't know till he's 23-25)

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WH stated after the draft that he just didnt want to take the risk of missing out on Hammer. He obviously rated him very highly bcoz of the combination of his draft camp results and seeing him smash Cam Wood last year in the QAFL.

Hampsons 20m sprint time at Draft Camp was 3.0 sec, which is the same as Gibbs. Grigg was 2.9.....Kreuzers best to date is 3.07.
Hammer also had a huge result in the standing vertical leap (86cm I think)
so he is a special athlete for a guy 202cm

Based on 2 games,get a grip,let's see him with a full season or two,not one game that had several players not knowing what to do for the best of the club.

It's way to early to call on most of those players,because one guy showed a bit in a pointless game and games we all lost,people think they are champions,give them a few years playing league.

..in regards to our later draftee's, being compared to other clubs' late picks and how they're all comparatively playing.. ..it's all relative.. ..their young guys play better than ours, b/c their senior players play better than ours.. ..their coaches coached better than ours (prev did) and their off-field board/dept's were better than ours (though we're rushing to catch up now)..

..for years we haven't been afl level.. ..we've been stuck in the twilight zone, better than vfl but not up to afl grade.. ..lucky we don't have a relegation system in place or we'd be playing afl every second year..

..things should start improving now, and the next year or two when we catch up to speed we can hope our young players have the proper support on and off field to be able to compete..

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So true. Very hard for young players to play well in shithouse teams. I'd like to see how Bryce or Murph would have gone this year at Geelong. Or Selwood at Carlton

Good Post...my thoughts as well, the jury is still out on our recruiting.
Hawthorn picked a coach who could teach his players and Melbourne have also gone the same route with Dean Bailey.
I will be interested to see what sort of coach Brett Ratten is as i think Wayne Hughes selections need a teacher type coach to get the best out of them...only Murphy and Gibbs are ready mades.

Bower for example has the tools to be a good player, good size, is brave as he showed in his first couple of games but some of his decision making is poor and his handpassing technique need some real work.
He often fails to make good contact with the footy and the ball almost falls of the end of his hand or fails to reach its target.....

Hampson, Aisake and Jacobs need a ruck coach to get the best out of them.....it wont be Wayne Hughes fault if they dont make it...

Benjamin is a freaky type of athelete with a great leap and nice skills but didnt have a clue how to get a kick when the ground was wet and heavy when I watched him player earlier in the year.....he needs remedial work in the art of playing on heavier grounds but that gets back to the coach and his team of assistants....

Be waiting a couple of years to see the results......

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Exactly, and on top of that Carlton supporters are not exactly impartial in their appraisal. The thing is, you have to make judgments in football. You can't hold of till the very last moment or you lose all impetus.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Especially with Aisake - I doubt WH had much to do with his recruitment.

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Spot on he did the same thing in that match, good signs from the FRO

Either you're now backtracking, or your original post was badly worded and didn't convey your intended meaning.

You didn't say that it was only other people who suggested that Essendon* wouldn't pick up Hampson with 18. By saying "it's probably fair to say" that, you were giving your own opinion. In that case, my comments stand. If not, you should have made your meaning clear.

wtf are you on about, indie?

you've really dropped the ball during this whole thing. the meaning of jake's post was clear for all to see.

i really have no idea why you have issues with it.

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Just another case of misunderstanding......move on.

Aside from the "tanking" debate - I have had more angst ridden conversations about Carlton's 2006 National Draft Selections (17 & 19), ie. who we should have taken and what order we should have taken them - than any other issue over the past 12 months.

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