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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

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Sorry.. one of us thought Kouta and Lance were gone.....
The the other was wrong..... and has been wrong all along.... :-D


Is that the same guy that though Lance was gone when he won the B&F?
Kouta was also in our best 22 before he got injured, so you were wrong there as well.


Lance wasnt a good best and fairest choice. He wasnt the best player last year.
He started ok as a loose man acros half bak but his second half was woeful.
It was a political appointment so he could be captain...


And alients killed JFK. nice conspiracy theory. Off course you know better than the official B&F judges. I love your arrogance. It's much more humbling just to say you were wrong.


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nytdog wrote:
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Sorry.. one of us thought Kouta and Lance were gone.....
The the other was wrong..... and has been wrong all along.... :-D


Is that the same guy that though Lance was gone when he won the B&F?
Kouta was also in our best 22 before he got injured, so you were wrong there as well.


Lance wasnt a good best and fairest choice. He wasnt the best player last year.
He started ok as a loose man acros half bak but his second half was woeful.
It was a political appointment so he could be captain...


And alients killed JFK. nice conspiracy theory. Off course you know better than the official B&F judges. I love your arrogance. It's much more humbling just to say you were wrong.


Fevola was easily our best last year, our B&F has been a farce for years.

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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

I think we can thank Kernahan for that call.


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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

I think we can thank Kernahan for that call.


WHat have you heard?


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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

I think we can thank Kernahan for that call.


WHat have you heard?

I've heard nothing but I doubt Pagan, given his background, would've allowed Carlton loyalties to get in the way of picking the best possible captain, and there's no way that lazy Lance is Pagan's ideal captain. This decision was pre-swan, and unless I'm mistaken it was pre-Icke so that leaves one man. Kernahan.


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budzy wrote:
It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.


I originally supported the decision. I couldn't see many other options. In hindsight, a bad idea, should've been Stevens.

But that would have left us in another conundrum. Lance would've got it by default.

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Andain wrote:
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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

I think we can thank Kernahan for that call.



Historically, the decision as to the Captain has been the Coach's call and it was no different this year. The Board backed the coach's decision.


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We can go around blaming people for Lance's appointment, the reality is we were in a real predicament. Fevola was our best player in 2006, but obviously his behaviour rendered him ineligible. Kouta had been a great club servant, but was unlikely to play in most games due to recurring injuries (as it is he retired early). While Waite, Simpson or Murphy all have excellent leadership qualities, handing one the captaincy would have placed undue pressure on them and possibly hindered the development and progress and improvement that each have shown this year. So it came down to between Lance and Stevo. Lance had been in good form in 2006, (b n f) and hence was given it. While it obviously looks like a big mistake now, given the circumstances, it arguably was the right decision at the time.


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captaincy is an important issue in 2008, i hope we dont muff it up again.


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We can go around blaming people for Lance's appointment, the reality is we were in a real predicament. Fevola was our best player in 2006, but obviously his behaviour rendered him ineligible. Kouta had been a great club servant, but was unlikely to play in most games due to recurring injuries (as it is he retired early). While Waite, Simpson or Murphy all have excellent leadership qualities, handing one the captaincy would have placed undue pressure on them and possibly hindered the development and progress and improvement that each have shown this year. So it came down to between Lance and Stevo. Lance had been in good form in 2006, (b n f) and hence was given it. While it obviously looks like a big mistake now, given the circumstances, it arguably was the right decision at the time.


I always thought Stevens was the standout, I reckon he was overlooked because he came from Port.

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Barack Obama wrote:
We can go around blaming people for Lance's appointment, the reality is we were in a real predicament. Fevola was our best player in 2006, but obviously his behaviour rendered him ineligible. Kouta had been a great club servant, but was unlikely to play in most games due to recurring injuries (as it is he retired early). While Waite, Simpson or Murphy all have excellent leadership qualities, handing one the captaincy would have placed undue pressure on them and possibly hindered the development and progress and improvement that each have shown this year. So it came down to between Lance and Stevo. Lance had been in good form in 2006, (b n f) and hence was given it. While it obviously looks like a big mistake now, given the circumstances, it arguably was the right decision at the time.


Don't agree Barack.
The choice was easy. It should have been stevo but like all decisions denis made at carlton it turned to dirt.


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Stephen M wrote:
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It still boggles my mind that Lance was given the Captaincy at the start of the year. Just a bizzare judgement call from those responsible.

I think we can thank Kernahan for that call.



Historically, the decision as to the Captain has been the Coach's call and it was no different this year. The Board backed the coach's decision.


Nice try Andain.


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We can go around blaming people for Lance's appointment, the reality is we were in a real predicament. Fevola was our best player in 2006, but obviously his behaviour rendered him ineligible. Kouta had been a great club servant, but was unlikely to play in most games due to recurring injuries (as it is he retired early). While Waite, Simpson or Murphy all have excellent leadership qualities, handing one the captaincy would have placed undue pressure on them and possibly hindered the development and progress and improvement that each have shown this year. So it came down to between Lance and Stevo. Lance had been in good form in 2006, (b n f) and hence was given it. While it obviously looks like a big mistake now, given the circumstances, it arguably was the right decision at the time.


Don't agree Barack.
The choice was easy. It should have been stevo but like all decisions denis made at carlton it turned to dirt.


Yes but I'm just saying that it wasn't just rewarding a member of "old carlton" that Lance was awarded the captaincy. And I have heard people outside this site say that it was the board's decision, and as mentioned earlier more specifically Kernahan's, not Denis's decision, to appoint Lance captain. These people say this is evidenced by the fact that Denis was over-ruled in relation to wanting to pick up Zantuck, and had little decision making authority. But as Stephen M pointed out, these people are in the wrong. This was Denis's decision, as it has been historically, and the board backed him. And what I'm saying is that it wasn't Sticks that decided, Lance is old carlton, the rest aren't, so he should be captain and forced Denis' hand. What I am saying is that there were alot of factors that obviously weighed in, and at the time many believed it was the right decision to appoint Lance captain. Ok, so it was wrong. But since the election in february, almost everything else has gone right in terms of decisions. We have a brilliant CEO, a good football manager who managed to keep Freo's list together, a young and tactically astute coach, sponsorship and revenue deals coming out of everywhere. our coach is picking a youth oriented team, giving Grigg/Hampson/Jackson etc proper runs to prepare for next year. Yes Lance as Captain may have been a mistake, and there are arguments over whose fault it was. But at the end of the day, these mistakes are now the minor minor exception, not the norm. There's no need to go head-hunting. Things are on the up :-D


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It was Denis AND Sticks decision... no matter what is said... its easy to just blame the guy who got the bullet... but the decision was made by Denis and in particuar the chairman of selectors.

Yes youre right. It was done before there was anybody at the cub that has a clue or any balls.
Im hoping that right now wth the appointments of Icke and Swann.. we do have people who understand the AFL trends and the andscape of where were at withing that.... and the dufus can go away from the MC and eave it up to he professionals.....

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Feels like the drums are beating for Fevola trade. See David Smorgon has been quoted that Bulldogs will move heaven and earth to get a power forward to the club. And in reality there is only one power forward that may be available to them. Also, CFC is playing it beautifully e.g probably off the table, have to be extraordinary deal, we would like him here.

I have been and still am of the strong opinion that we need to trade Fev to move the culture and leadership to where the club wants it.

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After yesterday I'm not so sure anymore


Pay no attention to yesterday or next week. Don't base any decisions on these performances. Don't know about trading Fev to the dogs. What could they possibly offer to compensate us for Fev??

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Pay no attention to yesterday or next week. Don't base any decisions on these performances. Don't know about trading Fev to the dogs. What could they possibly offer to compensate us for Fev??


pick 5 and any of griffen/cooney/cross/harris/higgins

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