Took the words out of my mouth.

If they wouldn't have sacked Jack Worrall we might've had 17 or 18 flags by now.

Onwards and upwards.

Next stop for Denis is a seat at the footy when Carlton comes good.

He can keep busy doing media spots until then.

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That was then....this is now.

Unfortunately; Denis's Coaching of Carlton was like dancing with your sister.

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Not able, I reckon.

He speaks about the authority he had at North that he didn't have at Carlton i think that was very significant in his undoing....He's an all or nothing bloke...With some if you don't have 100% you may as well have 0%

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My biggest fear is that in 5 years Carlton is still struggeling for any decent success and we start blaming Ratts saying he wasn't ready to coach a senior team when the root of the problem is embedded deeper in the club and its culture as Pagan has incinuated.

Don't pay him
Let him sue us.
We'll then see his true colours

i hate to harp but the guy is all about himself- dancing with his sister etc(as an aside i gotta say that his sis would have to be the ugliest girl in the world) Hate the fact that he refused to make any comment about Sticks

..didn't read the article to know it's all just politicking and propaganda, by him and our club.. ..it's rare to really hear what ppl in these situations truely think and feel.. ..butters and thomas are in the minority and they're both acting like imbeciles taking their dirty laundry out into the public arena.. ..denden and the club have their own agenda's to look after and they're not about to spoil it with a totally open/frank interview.. ..and thats the way it should be.. ..i don't wanna hear all the nitty gritty details when those details are really just opinions based on prejudgiced intepretations of whats happened..

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That's the problem,Ratten might come with some wins and everyone will think he is a super coach and then have lost after lost and still struggle in years and then what happens everybody says he wasn't ready,we did a mistake

there will be a lot of disappointed people out there if the truth was said about sticks.

How so?

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Thought it was a very good article where he didnt slag the club talked up Ratten -was looking forward for his own future -talked up Bryce
It didnt work at Carlton but this guy isnt Attila the Hun - can we please let it go -surely he can now be treated with some respect

For me the biggest mistake Pagan made was his strategy with list management. Pagan had the opportunity to reshape an entire list from scratch. Yes he didnt have early draft picks, but he coulda used that to advantage by giving him extra time than most coaches to shape a list, knowing that he had a pretty good excuse for a few years of poor results. 2004 was a waste, because we won games playing average older footballers. Instead of youth he said "go out and find me older players that haven't had opportunities at other clubs". Not the way to do it IMO. He should've taken the early hit for 2-3 years and played nothing but youth and the handful of classy older guys that we had. Use all draft picks, even later ones on youth not retreads. I'd rather a Fisher to a Martyn. Or a Simmo to a Kenna.

But I'm with you. Let's let it go. It was just a bad fit. Pagan and the Blues just didn't go together.

This argument is redundant and simply immature.


Appointing a coach is not a guarantee to success; the previous 'culture' believed that the appointment of Pagan and paying players in brown paper bags would buy premierships.

The culture has changed rapidly since Dick Prat has been there- there are some very effective and competent 'outsiders' currently sweeping the dirt out of the house.

Ratten has certainly has done the apprentiship and ticks all the right boxes....he is a very very safe option. If anything the sub-committee could be blamed for being too conservative...But the favourite for the job, Michael Voss, would have been a very bold choice . So the panel were not affraid of making hard decisions.

The board and committee did the right thing in offering only 2-years. They will know after 1 year if Ratten is the man for the job- not by wins and losses per se, but by his vision and processes.

So the argument that it is the culture or we will look back and say that he was inexperienced is rubbish. The culture has completely changed within the last 12 months and they can reasses in 12 months if he is not the right man.

I beleive he is the right man to at least develop the kids- a premiership coach- who knows?

kernahan is held in very high regard by many carlton supporters based on his footballing ability and his ability as a football administrator of lack thereof is largly ignored by these same people.

I don't think you've read enough posts on TC.

Generally speaking, what you say is true. That said, there is a reasonable number of people that would prefer to see Sticks away from the board room, at least, and possibly the match committee as well.

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The thing going for Sticks is that he knows his limitations.

The pressure last year was enormous for him to take over as president once Smorgan got the boot, but he knew that he was not the man.

I bet Kernahan will take less of a role now that the admin is in place. Sticks was needed at the end of last year and he is the 'spriritual' leader of the club.

Sticks is to Carlton what Queen Elizabeth II is to England, except that he has a penis, does not wear a crown and does not have the speech articulation that she does

If we are struggling for success in 5 years time, we might as well all give it away. the way the system works now is that struggling clubs are rewarded for years of hardship with high draft picks. Even without the new resources put into the football department during 2007, we have well selected Walker, Murphy and Gibbs and we will draft well towards the end of this year. I have no doubt Brett Ratten is the best man to develop this young and talented list and the Club, with its rich history of success, will achieve success.

I don't have an answer as to why DP succeed at North and not at Carlton. However, an environment that encourages and develops our young playing group will be the one that best harnesses its talent and opportunities.

I think you answered it right there Stephen.

Well said Stephen.

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