Brett Ratten named coach - press conference update p23

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10593

Congratulations Brett Ratten. Lead the youngsters to where they/we belong.

Can you feel the Ol Navy Blue attitude building people ... I know I can! :-D

ps. Blueman your getting me very, very excited. :lol:

James Bond · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:37 am

Well done Ratts, and all the best for this next phase of rebuilding the Mighty Blues.

It was quite heartening to hear On The Couch last night, that both Walls and Sheehan who went to Kouta's testimonial say "that there was a really positive vibe around the place and about where the Blues are heading. You'd never have thought they were going through a tough time".

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Looking at the last few premiership coaches,
Roos was appointed because he was at the club as an assistant and did a good job as caretaker (sound familiar). There was no process.
Williams was appointed because he was an assistant at the club and was seen as the natural successor to Cahill. There was no process.
Worsfold was a favourite son returning after doing his appenticeship elsewhere. There was a process but Woosha wasnt first choice, that was Neil Craig who said no.
Matthews was headhunted and sought because of his experience. There was no process.

I think the concept of a process is a charade and overrated. Sort out who you are interested in and interview them. Thats a process that has seemed to work well.

Now forget the process crap and lets all get behind Ratts. there's been too many factions among Carlton supporters in the past few years

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:57 am

Ratten the right man, says Parkin
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 11,00.html

Plenty of stats in here to get Jarusa's jollies going, even if they stuffed up the number of games Ratts played...

Quote:

...The past 30 Victorian Football League/AFL premierships have been won by just 15 coaches.

Of the 15, the average age of each on debut as a senior VFL/AFL coach was 34 years and the average number of senior games they played was 202.

Ten of the 15 played in a premiership, eight won a best-and-fairest, and nine captained their side.

Ratten, 36, fits a similar bill. He played 261 games, was a three-time Carlton best-and-fairest, played in a premiership and captained the Blues in 2002 and 2003...

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:23 am

Does anybody know what time the press conference will be tomorrow? I'm guessing FoxSports News will have live coverage, and I'd like to record it if possible.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

I dont mind Ratten getting the job but the process has been a farce and if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson then its been a Sticks/Gleeson decision to appoint Ratten along with some pressure from ex players like Fraser Brown. There was a grab from an interview with Pagan on the radio where Pagan didnt deny when questioned that Sticks and his mates wield great power and that Pagan knew he was gone 2 years ago.

Just for once could we have done this properly and come to the correct decision by going the right process and not letting Kernahan have a major say....while we have a faction led administration we wont be any good.
I admire Hawthorn for having the courage to tell Brereton to get lost when he tried to annoint his old buddy Ayres into the Hawks job and wish we had the courage to tell Sticks to do the same.....

Lets hope Ratten gets the courtesy to choose his own assistants like Voss would have and not get lumped with a minder/back up senior coach like what David Parkin wants.....I find that undermining and a lack of faith in Rattens ability especially coming from a man who did similar with Peter Schwab and created a rift that held the club back....and eventually cost Schwab his job...

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:34 pm

i big flower i told you so

some people will never be happy

:lol:

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

A brain for Wayne Carey would make a massive difference

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson

I don't.

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV. People have confronted her, like steve Harris and nathan Brown last night about things she wrote that are plainly untrue. She dismisses them with "Thats not what my sources told me" "I won't tell you who I spoke to but they told me something different"
She should never have taken this job, it has opened her up to scrutiny she has never had. Carey always has a go at her sources and she was pissed off last night.

As for hutchy, he's an investigator, not an expert. Who cares what Hutchy thinks. Basically you are saying that the 13 people on the board are all simpletons who blindly follow what Sticks says. If so, why arent you campaigning against them?

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10593

FFS people.
Swan has sat in the coaches box for 4 weeks now and evaluated Ratts for himself. Get over the process shit and get behind Ratts. :evil:

As for Carey .. do us a favour, grab Archer and go and have a drinking session with Pagan to get it out of your sytems.

CK95 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:54 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

buzzaaaah wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson

I don't.

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV. People have confronted her, like steve Harris and nathan Brown last night about things she wrote that are plainly untrue. She dismisses them with "Thats not what my sources told me" "I won't tell you who I spoke to but they told me something different"
She should never have taken this job, it has opened her up to scrutiny she has never had. Carey always has a go at her sources and she was pissed off last night.

As for hutchy, he's an investigator, not an expert. Who cares what Hutchy thinks. Basically you are saying that the 13 people on the board are all simpletons who blindly follow what Sticks says. If so, why arent you campaigning against them?

I watched that sad excuse for 'entertainment' last night and I burst out laughing at how trumped up and contrived the 'issues' are and how they are presented.
Footy Classified is an insult to viewers intelligence and the credibility of those in front of the camera has plummeted to below zero AFAIC.
I think CH9 in general have really sunk to a new low.
Absolute contrived shit!

blu944 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:00 pm

CK95 wrote:

buzzaaaah wrote:

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV.

I thought that was her face, but it does make more sense now

blu944 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:04 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

I dont mind Ratten getting the job but the process has been a farce and if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson then its been a Sticks/Gleeson decision to appoint Ratten along with some pressure from ex players like Fraser Brown. There was a grab from an interview with Pagan on the radio where Pagan didnt deny when questioned that Sticks and his mates wield great power and that Pagan knew he was gone 2 years ago.

Just for once could we have done this properly and come to the correct decision by going the right process and not letting Kernahan have a major say....while we have a faction led administration we wont be any good.
I admire Hawthorn for having the courage to tell Brereton to get lost when he tried to annoint his old buddy Ayres into the Hawks job and wish we had the courage to tell Sticks to do the same.....

Lets hope Ratten gets the courtesy to choose his own assistants like Voss would have and not get lumped with a minder/back up senior coach like what David Parkin wants.....I find that undermining and a lack of faith in Rattens ability especially coming from a man who did similar with Peter Schwab and created a rift that held the club back....and eventually cost Schwab his job...

I agree with this, but given Kernahan seems to be untouchable it is at the very least a positive that the club has a coach that has the support of everyone from the top down. The only battles are left to be faught are on the field.

troybond · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:04 pm

budzy wrote:

buzzaaaah wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson

I don't.

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV. People have confronted her, like steve Harris and nathan Brown last night about things she wrote that are plainly untrue. She dismisses them with "Thats not what my sources told me" "I won't tell you who I spoke to but they told me something different"
She should never have taken this job, it has opened her up to scrutiny she has never had. Carey always has a go at her sources and she was pissed off last night.

As for hutchy, he's an investigator, not an expert. Who cares what Hutchy thinks. Basically you are saying that the 13 people on the board are all simpletons who blindly follow what Sticks says. If so, why arent you campaigning against them?

I watched that sad excuse for 'entertainment' last night and I burst out laughing at how trumped up and contrived the 'issues' are and how they are presented.
Footy Classified is an insult to viewers intelligence and the credibility of those in front of the camera has plummeted to below zero AFAIC.
I think CH9 in general have really sunk to a new low.
Absolute contrived shit!

DITTO.
As for Wanker Carey, i'm getting sick of him sticking up for pagan.Correct me if i'm wrong but he stated last night that we had the right coach in pagan(wrong), we haven't been competitive(wrong) and probably won't be next year(i reckon this is also wrong).
I have seen more upside in the last 4 games under Ratts than i have in the last 5 years!

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:27 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

I dont mind Ratten getting the job but the process has been a farce and if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson then its been a Sticks/Gleeson decision to appoint Ratten along with some pressure from ex players like Fraser Brown. There was a grab from an interview with Pagan on the radio where Pagan didnt deny when questioned that Sticks and his mates wield great power and that Pagan knew he was gone 2 years ago.

Just for once could we have done this properly and come to the correct decision by going the right process and not letting Kernahan have a major say....while we have a faction led administration we wont be any good.
I admire Hawthorn for having the courage to tell Brereton to get lost when he tried to annoint his old buddy Ayres into the Hawks job and wish we had the courage to tell Sticks to do the same.....

Lets hope Ratten gets the courtesy to choose his own assistants like Voss would have and not get lumped with a minder/back up senior coach like what David Parkin wants.....I find that undermining and a lack of faith in Rattens ability especially coming from a man who did similar with Peter Schwab and created a rift that held the club back....and eventually cost Schwab his job...

so what your suggesting is we hire a recruitment firm who in turn then employ the like of Walls , Parkin , Mackay , Healy and maybe a Schwab or any other hanger on in the football world to give their opinions on who best fits the position and make their recommendations on who should coach .

They then interview all the prospective candidates who come along and put forward their presentation and power point display and then narrow that group down to a select few who then go through another interview process and in the end come out with a Super coach who then has to impress Dick Pratt who in turn will look to his right and say

What do you think Sticks and Swanny

Why waste the time

thedominator · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:30 pm

troybond wrote:

budzy wrote:

buzzaaaah wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

if you listen to Caroline Wilson and Craig Hutchinson

I don't.

Caroline has been exposed recently on TV. People have confronted her, like steve Harris and nathan Brown last night about things she wrote that are plainly untrue. She dismisses them with "Thats not what my sources told me" "I won't tell you who I spoke to but they told me something different"
She should never have taken this job, it has opened her up to scrutiny she has never had. Carey always has a go at her sources and she was pissed off last night.

As for hutchy, he's an investigator, not an expert. Who cares what Hutchy thinks. Basically you are saying that the 13 people on the board are all simpletons who blindly follow what Sticks says. If so, why arent you campaigning against them?

I watched that sad excuse for 'entertainment' last night and I burst out laughing at how trumped up and contrived the 'issues' are and how they are presented.
Footy Classified is an insult to viewers intelligence and the credibility of those in front of the camera has plummeted to below zero AFAIC.
I think CH9 in general have really sunk to a new low.
Absolute contrived shit!

DITTO.
As for Wanker Carey, i'm getting sick of him sticking up for pagan.Correct me if i'm wrong but he stated last night that we had the right coach in pagan(wrong), we haven't been competitive(wrong) and probably won't be next year(i reckon this is also wrong).
I have seen more upside in the last 4 games under Ratts than i have in the last 5 years!

Agree completely with all of the above. The show is a joke an insult to ones intelligence. Hutchy is a stalker, Carey a flower idiot and flowerhead and Caro a manipulator of the truth (a nice way to say liar). Lyon seems to be the only sane one there but this is also an illusion as he is made to look good by being surrounded by 3 dodos.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

SurreyBlue wrote:

FFS people.
Swan has sat in the coaches box for 4 weeks now and evaluated Ratts for himself. Get over the process shit and get behind Ratts. :evil:

As for Carey .. do us a favour, grab Archer and go and have a drinking session with Pagan to get it out of your sytems.

The process shit is what has been getting us into trouble over the past ten years.....we have forgone the process and gone with the dodgy deal making instead courtesy of mugs like Kernahan and got sweet FA to show for it.

Bond and McKenna had one initial interview each.....according to Caroline Wilson the club admitted the process was a farce and that Ratten had the job after Voss pulled out...fine...why go through the sham of making out we are searching for a coach..appoint Ratten and be done with it.

Greg Swann has evaluated Ratts for 4 weeks?????...really....wouldnt the proper thing to do evaluate some other potential coaches by interviewing them.....Bond was very impressive by all acounts.......doesnt he deserve a second interview?...

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:35 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

....Bond was very impressive by all acounts.......doesnt he deserve a second interview?...

Except the Melbourne accounts....and maybe the Carlton accounts....and he didn't get to open an account at Essendon* or Freo..... :lol:

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Buzz.....No I'm saying the Simpleton is the one who is making the decisions, telling Dicky what he wants then having the board rubber stamp them....

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