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God you people are pathetic, he was playing on one leg with 2 defenders on him. You don't like him as a person? Good for you but don't try and make out like this attitude thing actually effects his football. I've never read as much dribble before since the last anti Fevola thread.


It affects his footy alright....kicked no goals on Saturday.....none.

He carries on like a spoiled schoolkid......menwhile Fisher just takes great marks and kicks goals without fuss.

And if he's injured....he shouldn't declare himself fit as he did.


Well he was injured and he helped the team by taking two defenders out of the equation including Mal Michael. Kernahan took the field a number of times while injured and did flower all but he was never criticized. Fans just need to look beyond their hate of the man and accept him as the Carlton star he is.


Kernahan never leaned on the fence and argued the point with Umpires about free kicks and...........how could you possibly compare Fevola in the same breath as Kernahan?......you cannot be serious !!!


I loved Sticks but he never had to deal with what Fev has had to. If Fev played in the era and sides that Sticks played in he would have been an all time great.


Fevs would just be a blip on the radar in that era. He would not be tolerated.


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Just finished watching the Ch 10 News. Fev's a mess. He's having seperate operations on his groin, which has been giving him big problems, his shoulder, his finger, then his thumb. Not to mention the quad injury his had.

Seems Fev's had the odd fitness problem this season!

may as well go the lobotomy as well while they're at it...


Did a brain scan, found nothing!


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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.


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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.


The only attitudes that are tiring come from the do gooder Ned Flanders' of the forum such as yourself. All as a fan you need to be worried about is whether he performs on the field and considering his injuries he's done remarkably well this season. Why do you care about his attitude, personality etc.? You're not his wife, mother or mistress so what's the problem?

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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.
Sometimes we have to take the good with the bad. Not that we shouldn't stop trying to minimise such on-field behaviour. Not everything in life is perfect unfortunately. Key position guns are bloody hard to find anywhere. Ask the Bulldogs. Or even us as we've tried for years to get a decent key defender. So when you do have one you do your best to make the best of it.


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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.


The only attitudes that are tiring come from the do gooder Ned Flanders' of the forum such as yourself. All as a fan you need to be worried about is whether he performs on the field and considering his injuries he's done remarkably well this season. Why do you care about his attitude, personality etc.? You're not his wife, mother or mistress so what's the problem?


Are you related to him?

Attitude is one of the most important elements in a team environment.

Wasn't he suspended by the club because of his attitude?

And apart from the first week it is back to the usual crap he dishes out. Did you see him on the weekend? Didn't get a free kick so he mouthed off at umpire whilst MM ran away with ball and then mouthed off at teammates.

By the way it was because we were a bad team that he kicked 80 goals as we had no one else to kick it to. He would struggle in a good side becuase he would spit the dummy because they wouldn't kick it to him all the time.


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cj69 wrote:
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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.


The only attitudes that are tiring come from the do gooder Ned Flanders' of the forum such as yourself. All as a fan you need to be worried about is whether he performs on the field and considering his injuries he's done remarkably well this season. Why do you care about his attitude, personality etc.? You're not his wife, mother or mistress so what's the problem?


Are you related to him?

Attitude is one of the most important elements in a team environment.

Wasn't he suspended by the club because of his attitude?

And apart from the first week it is back to the usual crap he dishes out. Did you see him on the weekend? Didn't get a free kick so he mouthed off at umpire whilst MM ran away with ball and then mouthed off at teammates.

By the way it was because we were a bad team that he kicked 80 goals as we had no one else to kick it to. He would struggle in a good side becuase he would spit the dummy because they wouldn't kick it to him all the time.


If he is so shit then why does he get double and sometimes even triple teamed? Why is he the first guy opposition sides look at when planning for the week?
Ask any top side supporter who they would want from us and the answer would be unanimous.

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TheGame wrote:
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Firearms if he can kick 80 goals in the worst Carlton side of all time with the flooding of modern footy to boot he would have killed it in the 90s.


I don't think anyone doesn't believe he has unlimited ability, it is his attitude everyone is tired of.


The only attitudes that are tiring come from the do gooder Ned Flanders' of the forum such as yourself. All as a fan you need to be worried about is whether he performs on the field and considering his injuries he's done remarkably well this season. Why do you care about his attitude, personality etc.? You're not his wife, mother or mistress so what's the problem?


Are you related to him?

Attitude is one of the most important elements in a team environment.

Wasn't he suspended by the club because of his attitude?

And apart from the first week it is back to the usual crap he dishes out. Did you see him on the weekend? Didn't get a free kick so he mouthed off at umpire whilst MM ran away with ball and then mouthed off at teammates.

By the way it was because we were a bad team that he kicked 80 goals as we had no one else to kick it to. He would struggle in a good side becuase he would spit the dummy because they wouldn't kick it to him all the time.


If he is so shit then why does he get double and sometimes even triple teamed? Why is he the first guy opposition sides look at when planning for the week?
Ask any top side supporter who they would want from us and the answer would be unanimous.


Who wants him, do they want to talk, what are they offering??


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The Game......no one is indispensible.....no one.


Except my man Jamo!!

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.. ..the Fevalicious....

..what to do with him.. ..most of us have a love/hate relationship with the 'idiot savant'.. .... ..the biggest problem regarding Fev isn't him.. ..(although ultimately he bares sole responsibility).. ..for mine, it's been the lack of a strong coach (now rectified), weak off-field club (again, rectified),, and terribly absent on-field leadership (desparately requireing rectification, clueless where it's going to coming from)..

..now, Waitey's being tried down back, so there's one good forward (possibly KPP) out of the forward line.. ..the Red, a fav of mine is on the way out, another forward and KPP gone.. ..the Fish, as great as he is isn't a KPP.. ..mister Kennedy has a few years to grow into a KPP, and he's most likely goin' to be a CHF anyways (if football ever returns to actually honestly playing that position).. ..as for Harts, i think he's more a forward than a backman, but so is Waitey so we'll see where neccessity takes us in that regard..

..like it or not, the Fev is our FF.. ..i read somewhere here, or in another thread,, that he isn't apparently as good as some FF's.. ..in particular the name Richo came up.. ..preposterous.. ..i've seen Richo crack the sads far worse than Fev over the years, and his goal kicking is shocking for a FF.. ..in fact, as i've stated before there's very few reliable kicks as good as Fev is, especially once outside the fitty.. ..now, granted,, at times Fev's attitude on-field is deplorable.. ..i don't need to give you that, it's obvious for all to see.. ..but it's also a sad indictment of our club that he's been played for so long injured, and not just this season either..

..but, for those that want to trade him if a good trade comes along..?.. ..no-one trades you more than they recieve, unless you slip 'em a mickey before the deal gets done and yer forge their signature.. ..i wouldn't worry about trades come draft time.. ..i'd use our picks on fresh talent, and be done with that..

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This makes for an interesting off season -

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Fevola will not play again this year and may require surgery on his groin, thumb, finger and shoulder


[url=http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/sectionindex/0,8031,aflCarlton,00.html]Ratten to lead Blues
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I am tired of arguing about Fevola and whether we should keep him or not. I am not one of those people who loves him when he plays well and hates him when he doesn't. I have never been a huge wrap for him at any stage.

I will put MY opinion on him below and then will make no further comment on the issue.

1.I believe that the club has reached its lowest point and is now on the way up. It is very important for Ratten to develop a strong team mentality and have no one playing outside th team rules. From what I hear he has stuffed up again!
2.At Fevs age this maybe his last year where he is worth something in trade talk.
3.He takes up a lot of the salary cap which could be used snag a better suited player to our club.
4.With Rattens game plan he is getting players to hold the ball up and wait for the best option up forward. He is also rotating the forwards to create many options. To me when Fev moves outside the 50m he looks lost thus limiting our options. A forward line of Fisher, Waite, Kennedy, O'hailpin, Cloke, Hartlett has a lot more flexibility and in my eyes is exciting. Look at the good sides like WCE their forwards rotate all day as do Hawthorns.
5.The days of the pure FF are over and if you cannot play up the ground it severly impacts on the team structure.
6. He is not going to be part of our next premiership so why not get someone who will be.
7. As a professional sportsman his attitude stinks. If we get rid of him I am sure we will not miss him.

To all, these are MY opinions, they may be right, they may be wrong. In the end the club will decide what is best.


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This makes for an interesting off season -

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Fevola will not play again this year and may require surgery on his groin, thumb, finger and shoulder


[url=http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/sectionindex/0,8031,aflCarlton,00.html]Ratten to lead Blues
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My expectations for Fev are not high. Considering how battered his body is getting I will be happy with 30 goals from 11 games next year.

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I am tired of arguing about Fevola and whether we should keep him or not. I am not one of those people who loves him when he plays well and hates him when he doesn't. I have never been a huge wrap for him at any stage.

I will put MY opinion on him below and then will make no further comment on the issue.

1.I believe that the club has reached its lowest point and is now on the way up. It is very important for Ratten to develop a strong team mentality and have no one playing outside th team rules. From what I hear he has stuffed up again!
2.At Fevs age this maybe his last year where he is worth something in trade talk.
3.He takes up a lot of the salary cap which could be used snag a better suited player to our club.
4.With Rattens game plan he is getting players to hold the ball up and wait for the best option up forward. He is also rotating the forwards to create many options. To me when Fev moves outside the 50m he looks lost thus limiting our options. A forward line of Fisher, Waite, Kennedy, O'hailpin, Cloke, Hartlett has a lot more flexibility and in my eyes is exciting. Look at the good sides like WCE their forwards rotate all day as do Hawthorns.
5.The days of the pure FF are over and if you cannot play up the ground it severly impacts on the team structure.
6. He is not going to be part of our next premiership so why not get someone who will be.
7. As a professional sportsman his attitude stinks. If we get rid of him I am sure we will not miss him.

To all, these are MY opinions, they may be right, they may be wrong. In the end the club will decide what is best.


Pretty close to the money here CJ69.

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Something interesting at the bottom of the article regarding Fev back on the drink after his season over dosn't look like too much to worry about. Unless there is more to the story


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html




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The Blues were also waiting last night to speak to full-forward Brendan Fevola, who after having his season curtailed by injury celebrated long and hard after Anthony Koutoufides' testimonial dinner on Sunday evening.

Fevola missed a team session he was expected at by some club officials, who were surprised by his absence and aware of his late night out.

It is understood Fevola was absent because he was meeting doctors for three scans on his hands and groin and that there had been a miscommunication with some officials at the club.

Football manager Steven Icke said he would not comment until he had spoken to Fevola.


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I was supportive of the club's suspension of Fev cause I wanted him to have a think about whether he was committed to the Blues long term. That week and since, he has answered all questios for me. His performance on Footy Classified was fantastic. He pledged himself to get the Blues back up the ladder. greg Swann says Fev has approached him several times to tell him he wants to stay. As far as I am concerned, story over.

Fev shouldnt have played the last 3 weeks. he has under duress. Dont count it against him

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Aside from his injury issues his on field demeanour towards the umpires have done him no favours.

I am the first to say that he has been absolutely CRUCIFIED this year by the men in white and when you look at the rule changes in the past few years in relation to:

- chopping of the arms
- hands in the back

Fev should have kicked at least an additional 20 to 30 goals this year in unpaid free kicks alone.

But the maggots in white will not pay him any of those touchy free kicks.

If you look at the NAB CUp where he got an armchair ride and was paid nearly every hand in the back free kick there was - I thought he was going to kick 100 goals this season.

Fev needs to tone down the on-field whinging but the club needs to make an approach to the Umpires Department because Fevola is clearly being treated differently to every other Key Forward in the AFL.

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I'm more in favour of keeping Fev then letting him go but if we think about it, it could be worthwhile.

If we were to trade Fev and say we get a decent player (midfielder or backman) plus a first or second round pick (would depend on the player we got) then add this to the possible draft picks.

Lets assume we get picks 1 and 3 for starters. We pick Kruezer at 1 and then say Bongetti from the Northern Knights (leading goalkicker/forward) with pick 3. The midfielder we may have picked up with the third pick would have come via the trade we got for Fev. Next picks if we are lucky may be between picks 3 and say pick 20. We can then use these two picks to get another midfielder and KPP.

With players such as Palmer, Grimes, Cotchin, Hurley, Rioli, Selwood, Meredith, Vezpremi, etc there is still a chance we could get one of these midfielders or other.

Example 2 - Say the Bulldogs wanted Fev and they gave up there first pick say '8' plus a decent player then we would definately have a chance at an all round win.

Worth thinking about!!!!


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