All I am reading are excuses for a poor performance. I wish you were my boss at work.

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Delulio is a member of TISM

I'm not excusing the fact that we lost today, we had plenty of opportunities, outplayed Essendon* for most of the match and won most match-ups and still lost.

My comments are based on your comparison to Round 3 - dont compare apples and oranges.

Gee, let me think.
The last 4 weeks of Pagans coaching, we probably lost by an average of 10 goals per game.
Under Ratten, we've just been pipped on the line by teams in finals contention.

What a difficult equation.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

You must be a very happy natured person. You seem to laugh a lot when your posts are not funny. I hope you were not laughing at what I had to say because that would be rude.

For a team to improve during the season I would want to see that team beating the same teams it lost against earlier in the season and continue to beat the same teams we beat.

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Not my argument but that's a very simple view of improvement. What about improvement in defensive clearances, underlying players, teamwork, protecting the ball carrier etc.

In how many years has Carlton beaten Essendon* twice in a season? We came close last year when we were both on the bottom but footy is rarely so linear.

I think at vital times yesterday we still went to a 1 on 3 when we needed to hold the ball up. Whether our forward line had been sucked down to defence or not, I couldn't tell, but it will take a while to get rid of bad habits. A full pre-season and a bit more maturity that goes with that will be a good way to assess improvement - until then, 4 close losses in a row that we were in a position to win is an outstanding lift from the morass that we were in in the 5 weeks of hell.

Winning and being the best is the ultimate measure of high performance in sport. Don't let simplicity trip you over.

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I think we're a long way from having that as our main assessment tool.

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There's so much I could say...

I love the 'at my work' or 'my boss' crap.

show me a workplace with a salary cap

show me a position that can only be filled via a draft....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Danny a lot of work places have locked them selves into AWA and EBA thus restricting the people you can employ because if you employ someone he has to full with in the wage structure of the aggreement

We are currentltly finding it difficult to employ quality skilled staff and keep them in the wage levels of the work place agrrements

So it is no different

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I really dont think we can judge fully Ratten on his performance in the last 6 weeks especially when in the eyes of most people he is doing an excellent job in delivering 4 games where we could have won every game against opposition teams that are playing off in the finals.

When you see the senario since Ratten has taken over.
He has been put in with the last 6 weeks of the season. He has changed the gameplan which is never something that will have imidiate effect when for 4.5 years the players have been made to play a different game plan. He works under an umbrella where the media, many supporters possibly many in the Blues Hierachy would prefer a honarable loss to a win due to the nature that a win now would be seen as more dertimental to the Blues than 6 honarable losses. Note Pick 1 an 3 is not only important from early draft picks but could also be the key with pick 3 to lure a very high profile player and still retaining pick 1


So what has Ratten brought to the team in the last 4 weeks
What i have seen is a far more effective game plan with flexibility to adjust and also retain possesion. Also much better team spirit and players playing for each other with shephards and to protect the ball player.

Have seen the emergence of players like Bower, Jamison, Jackson, Russell, Blackwell all have a good run and all showing more than what i had see under Pagan. In fact Jamison and Jackson have both been great new additions which will hopefully see more senior experience. Have been great to see these 2 kids show what they can do and will be welcome additions in 2008.
Even Simpson has lifted to a new level and Forgotten players like Saddo and Banister seem to be playing with more purpose.

All in all i have no issue in how Ratten has performed considering the situation he has been put in and with all the scrutiny of Playing for the PP and showing a competative spirit and being in situations where maybe if there was more incentive to win ie we where out of the PP zone or playing to get into the 8 i am sure we probabaly would have won 3-4 of the last 4 games.

Lets judge Ratten on 2008 when he has a full preseason can properly install the new game plans have the assistant coaches he wants and also have the new additions in the footy department with developement coaches..

There is lots to look forward to in 2008 and hopefully in 2008 we will finally see a upward movement up the ladder,

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Come work for me.....I can manage all the above criteria.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I like Swann's reply on MMM (as reported in the press today) to what assistants?......and he replied "we wouldn't be appointing anyone not approved bty Ratts"..............................................

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

The correct time to judge Bretts performance will be in 2008 and more so in 2009.

Any judgements that people wish to make now will soon be seen to be very foolish and premature.

If Connolly was there as an assistant, Brett would be adaptable enough to work with him, but we need to understand that Brett is his own man who seeks assistance on a needs basis - he doesnt need a Connolly style coaching assistant, looking over his shoulder - this would be a poor move.

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My Blue Heaven

Fair enough, if Ratts is appointed Coach he should be able to appoint his own team. We don't want another Pagan/Mitchell stand off!

The Sheriff always apponts his own deputies.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

SB are you sayinbg you can only spend so much on your employees?

That you cannot spend more on your wages (in full, not individually) than the next company?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Swann on 3aw said that the club have gone OUT AND GOT THE BEST COACH AVAILABLE.
Am i reading to much into it, or does that mean that Ratts may not have the gig?

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I see you watching me watching you.

You can employ more people but you cant pay them more than what they the current employees are on with out increasing all their salaries .It's a crap system you good workers dont get rewarded therefore you can not encourage productivity as there is no incentive to do so.Much the same as you cant pull in Judd and pay him a million plus while the rest are on less

So you are resticted in buisness aswell as football.Most industries have a salary cap of sorts mostly governed by the persons qualifications .

You are also restricted in the amount you can charge your labour due to competition so therefore that also restricts the salaries of your staff.

Every organisation has limits -Football should be no different

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

do you seriously think the restraints in buisness are similiar to a draft or salary cap where the worse you perform the more the system assists you?????

No wonder so many buisnesses go under - they are doing too well

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!