Round 20 - Pros and Cons

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:39 pm

kennyhunter wrote:

RiverRodent wrote:

PROS-

Bentick - 31 disposals with only 60% TOG - has a lot to offer when he is allowed to play as an attacking midfielder.Simpson - our most complete performer.

Amazing. Den Den kept using him defensively and Ratts seems to have a problem playing him.

I'm not a critic of JR and he's made a bit of progress lately, but he's never accumulated that sort of ball.

I like Bentick but I just don't think we can play that many small not overly quick guys in the same team. With Murphy, Carrazzo, Betts, Bentick and Blackwell in the same side they'll be calling us the smurfs sooner or later.

marciblue · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:47 pm

TheGame wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

RiverRodent wrote:

PROS-

Bentick - 31 disposals with only 60% TOG - has a lot to offer when he is allowed to play as an attacking midfielder.Simpson - our most complete performer.

Amazing. Den Den kept using him defensively and Ratts seems to have a problem playing him.

I'm not a critic of JR and he's made a bit of progress lately, but he's never accumulated that sort of ball.

I like Bentick but I just don't think we can play that many small not overly quick guys in the same team. With Murphy, Carrazzo, Betts, Bentick and Blackwell in the same side they'll be calling us the smurfs sooner or later.

Bentick @ 184cm & Carrazzo @ 187cm aren't exactly garden gnomes as midfielders. Blackers and Benchy are similar in terms of pace but Adam cant be considered as undesized

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:51 pm

RiverRodent wrote:

PROS-

Houlihan - chasing opponents with the intensity to make a tackle.

Bentick - 31 disposals with only 60% TOG - has a lot to offer when he is allowed to play as an attacking midfielder.

Simpson - our most complete performer.

Waite - superb first half at CHB forced Sheedy to re-jig his team to take him out of the contest.

Scotland, Fisher, Setanta, Bower, Betts, Jackson, Jamo, Carrazzo

Saddington and Bannister - both playing better under Ratts and both showing they have more to offer than Denis allowed them to show.CONS-
Whitnall - butchering the ball by foot and not passing to a loose man in a much better position - Lance was under so much pressure (perceived or otherwise) that whenever he got the ball his disposal was deplorable.

Fevola - whingeing to the umpire when the ball is still in play and what's worse, it seems to be catching because Whitnall started doing it later in the game.

Agree with all of that.

bluetongue · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:27 pm

RiverRodent wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

vinny30 wrote:

Is it just me or does our backline look better without thorton........

It's just you.

Yep - definitely YOU.

Nah, it's not just you.

Our backliine also looks better without me...

Mark J · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:32 pm

Rambo Stallone wrote:

Pros

Into the Preliminary Final against the roos, and then one game to go and hopefully advanced for the grand final against Melbourne.

Brad Fisher (Top Player)

Ryan Houilhan

The Young Players having a go like Jamieson

Cons

The only Carlton Last Premiership Player playing with the Scum who should've been with us until his retirement.

Brad Fisher possibly in danger as trade if Fevola is off the cards, as every club would be trying to steal him for players we don't want,have a bad one in round 22, Brad.

No game yet for Flint,Austin and Raso

No David Teague

Washed up players

Lappin should talk to the club this week to see if he gets a 1 year contract and if not,announce his retirement for the kangaroos game if i was in his shoes.

Whitnall can still get the last laugh at full forward against Melbourne if the ball gets delivered right on his chest,without running much,lol and Ackland in the Ruck,thinking in his mind kreuser can get stuff,i'm not going no where with my 3 year contract even thou if Ackland was good he could play another position and do a bit of the back up in the Ruck and we could recruit Kreuser if we got the pick.

Take a breath Rambo.

If we trade Fisher, i will never watch a game of football again!

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:36 pm

As much chance of us trading Fish as Brizzie is of trading Jonathan Brown.

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:19 pm

marciblue wrote:

TheGame wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

RiverRodent wrote:

PROS-

Bentick - 31 disposals with only 60% TOG - has a lot to offer when he is allowed to play as an attacking midfielder.Simpson - our most complete performer.

Amazing. Den Den kept using him defensively and Ratts seems to have a problem playing him.

I'm not a critic of JR and he's made a bit of progress lately, but he's never accumulated that sort of ball.

I like Bentick but I just don't think we can play that many small not overly quick guys in the same team. With Murphy, Carrazzo, Betts, Bentick and Blackwell in the same side they'll be calling us the smurfs sooner or later.

Bentick @ 184cm & Carrazzo @ 187cm aren't exactly garden gnomes as midfielders. Blackers and Benchy are similar in terms of pace but Adam cant be considered as undesized

Well I think a lot of these heights listed are a bit of a bluff and they don't play that tall anyway. We are short and slow in the middle and it needs to be addressed or we'll be glued to the bottom forever.

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:36 pm

Oh Game.....as uplifting and optimistic as ever after all these years....... :-D

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:45 pm

Warby wrote:

Oh Game.....as uplifting and optimistic as ever after all these years....... :-D

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

blueblues · **Joined:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:26 pm **Posts:** 236

Quote:

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

I'm not sure we would want too many Andrew Walkers in the team because how many players do we want stuffing up with the ball.

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:59 pm

TheGame wrote:

Warby wrote:

Oh Game.....as uplifting and optimistic as ever after all these years....... :-D

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

I agree that one of the Davey's would've been handy......(especially as they were unwanted)

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

blueblues wrote:

Quote:

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

I'm not sure we would want too many Andrew Walkers in the team because how many players do we want stuffing up with the ball.

I agree BB, we don't just need speed but players that are good users of the ball. When you don't turn the ball over it is amazing how quick you can look!

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:08 pm

cj69 wrote:

blueblues wrote:

Quote:

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

I'm not sure we would want too many Andrew Walkers in the team because how many players do we want stuffing up with the ball.

I agree BB, we don't just need speed but players that are good users of the ball. When you don't turn the ball over it is amazing how quick you can look!

So what your plan is never give the other team the ball and we won't look slow? :lol:

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:55 pm

cj69 wrote:

I agree BB, we don't just need speed but players that are good users of the ball. When you don't turn the ball over it is amazing how quick you can look!

I know what you're getting at.....flawless ball control between team mates
makes the team seem quick; as in from defence to a goal without the opposition touching the ball can be be breathtaking and exciting footy.

BIBI01 · **Joined:** Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:43 pm **Posts:** 322

same old, same old

PROS:

not getting blown out of the water
goalkicking conversion was in the positive 16.12
competed better in the ruck contests
attack was reasonabally consistent (4 goals, 4 goals, 3 goals, 5 goals)
greater spread of goalkickers (11 goalkickers)

CONS:

fell asleep for patches in the game
too many turnovers
basic football mistakes, over and over again
midfield pressure is still not at an acceptable level, allowing 62 inside 50's
who was on campo?????????????????????????????????????????
we still ball watch after a disposal, rather than run and get to the next contest

pressure by our FWD was basically non existent:
fevola= 0 tackles
whitnall= 0 tackles
o'hailpin 0 tackles
betts= 5 tackles
fisher= 0 tackles
lappin= 0 tackles
bannsiter= 2 tackles

we are running harder to revieve the ball under ratten and to make the play, but we are still not running hard enough the other way when the opposition have the ball.

we do not control the corridoor.
Essendon* sliced us up time after time through the corridoor
we on the other hand raerly use the corridoor with great effect.

being in a position as a supporter where you have "dirty thoughts" and wonder if you should be cheering for a loss.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:58 am

Pklz wrote:

Fisher - there were times when he couldn't mark to save himself, boy has that turned around recently.

I think if your remove the workd "mark" and replace it with the words "kick for goal" you would be closer to the mark

- but his reliability for kicking for goal has certainly increased markedly over the past 2 years - which is a credit to him and the whichever skills coach has been working with him. :wink:

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Scotland used the ball as well on Saturday as I've ever seen him use it.

Waite was great in the first half, looked a little lost when Lucas was moved down back, perhaps Lucas was taking him to the ball a bit?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:55 am

Warby wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Warby wrote:

Oh Game.....as uplifting and optimistic as ever after all these years....... :-D

I'm optimistic we've got some real guns coming through now, I'm just concerned about our lack of pace. A couple more Andrew Walkers would be handy.

I agree that one of the Davey's would've been handy......(especially as they were unwanted)

Hoprfully Clint Benjamin can fill that void... he would be a much better player away from the VFL grounds and showing what he can do on AFL grounds.

seanpb · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:40 pm

bentick isnt any good. hes too slow in the head and legs, he turns it over too much, is pushed aside too much...he shouldnt be in the team.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:02 pm

Pklz wrote:

I donno what i was thinking to be honest...but yes i have to disagree with myself now. I guess it's just good to see him finishing off his hard work now. I just hope he can stay un-injured.

As noted, I don't reckon his ability to mark has ever been in question. But his ability to now be involved around the ground has been a huge step up. Also, while his goal kicking still scares me he has actually kicked 39.13 (75%) this year, which is pretty damn good.

By contrast, Fev has kicked 59.41 (59%).

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