Tell me-
who would you trust to make the hard call on Whitnall?
Ratten or Bond?

Yes were a young team and yes we need an educator rather then a dictator, but I think, as EB said, Bond can divorce himself from the Sticks/ Gleeson/ Williams connection at the club and really help us rebuild our brand...
He will bring in new assistants and wont feel an loyalty to Braddles/ Williams etc (not saying Braddles isnt doing a great job, its jsut that there will be a fresh coaching panel which is always a positive) and he seems (an as Ive stressed a mountain of times- this is only from his public persona) that he is well nurtured in the way MODERN footy should be played.. (increased midfield rotations etc-- still hasnt markedly improved under Ratts but is getting better.)
Remember- I wont be shattered if Ratts gets the job, not at all, just the fact that if I could choose one of the two, Id swing towards Bond for the reasons mentioned by others and myself in previous posts..

Well Put Josh!

Let the cleanout continue

Ask me again at about 8pm on the 2nd of September...

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I have some concerns about Ratten but i also have some concerns about Bond. Anyone know why he keeps getting looked over? Obviously his low profile plays a part but that didn't stop Clarkson or Lyon.

I like the way Josh is thinking on the matter and tend to agree with him.

He's not a Carlton man therefore his loyalty lies with no one. I'd love for Ratts to be the coach, and I think he will given the way the boys have responded to him, however, everyone in AFL circles appear to rave about Bond.

Or at least those who are near him on a regular basis.

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I must admit that the continual passing over of senior positions where Bond has been put forward worries me a little. However, this shouldn't deter us if he really is the best candidate.

As good a tactician he may be, I believe that the skill set of a senior coach is more than just a great tactician. What is he like developing young players? Who are his referees? I would be calling up players like Lindsay Gilbee, Ryan Griffen to get their opinion on Bond's method of developing young players. In the end, we need a senior coach who will be able to mould a group of young players and some wilful senior players into a team capable of playing finals football.

At best, what we supporters can do is make an educated guess and give our opinions on perception.

Whoever it is who becomes coach, I will give them a couple of years at least. They deserve that.

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Josh, you raise some excellent points as per usual.

It took someone like Greg Swann to come in and make some hard calls, no doubt he was responsible for taking Fev and Lance to task. From what I have heard publicly from Ratts he doesn't really come across as having that 'hard edge'. By the same token haven't really heard much of Chris Bond. Not sure that Bond missing other jobs is an issue - does that make Ross Lyon a better candidate if he were available? Apparently he got the Saints job on the back of Walls' recommendation, and sometimes we're not privvy to the politics of appointing coaches of which there is plenty (also with sacking coaches).

I have advocated Roos all along and would still hope we can make a last ditch effort to get him, but that hope appears very slim now.

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No chance of getting him.
Spoke to the Morning Glory boys on SEN on Monday morning and said he'd been asked if he was interested in one of the coaching jobs by one of the senior officials at said club. I think most people on here know it was Carlton who was talking to him, however, he said he didn't even know who the person was or which club they were coming from.

Silly way of trying to dart around a question.

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And how do we exactly know that Bond won't get intimidated by Sticks and co or feel compelled to not rock the boat ? We don't, just as we don't know that Ratten will abide to the boys club requests. Either way it is speculative !

Fair points.....the fact that Sticks is comprimised by being involved in the selection process when he has a friend in Brett Ratten as one of the applicants makes it a bit of a farce anyway...

I think back to the Hawthorn decision to appoint Clarkson and that was a very brave move....Gary Ayres was the favourite son with Brereton pushing his barrow but give credit to the Hawks they ignored Brereton and went through the correct process and got the best man and have been vindicated.
All I want is for us to do the same.......

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Heard Ratts on SEN this morning say that he has pulled out of the Melbourne coaching race and putting "All his eggs" in the carlton basket.


I recon its obviously a done deal then.

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When the selection committee consisted of 4 blokes and 2 of those guys are your close mates was there ever any doubt particularly when Voss pulled out??
By the way I think Ratts will be great but like most things that have been happening at Carlton in the last 10 years I’m not sure the correct process was put in place.

Yeah I am with you on both counts Rhys. I think Ratts is very capable but the "process" stinks.

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You're still missing the point BIB. The players were responding to Ratten for 4 quarters. Responding means playing to the game plan and putting in. The boys were doing both. They were just lacking skill execution. Did you see the clanger count in the first half? After half time, the skills matched the endevour and the game plan. Unfortunately in the last they tired. To me that's all the coach can ask for.

So that makes 3 weeks in a row where we've seen a team respond for 4 quarters for the coach. So far Ratts has done a great job.

Now I'm not saying I prefer Ratts over Bond. I'm sure both would be great. But don't underestimate Ratts achievements to date.

Was it just me who heard him say that he wants to have a look at every player on our list by the end of the year???? Followed up with players will go in for surgery?? Could that mean IF we lose to Essendon*, we may be seeing like likes of Austin, Benjamin, Flint, Hampson, Hartlett (if hamstring is OK), Anderson (See Hartlett) all playing?????

Once he has the job, next Thursday afl.com.au will read,

IN: AUSTIN, BENJAMIN, FLINT, HAMPSON, HARTLETT
OUT: ACKLAND, FEV, MURPH, WALKER, SCOTLAND

you know what i reckon thats bullshit.

and i also reckon some of you would never be satisfied.

i wasnt keen on voss, and i dont know enough about bond

but they have all been interviewed, they have all gone through the process and if the club chooses ratts over the others, its becuase of "mates"

give the club and ratts credit, he is done a good job in the last few weeks and IMO more than deserves a crack at the job.

some of you seem to be of the opinion, that if the next coach doesnt some from an outside source and comes from someone inside the club "we havent done the process properly" and its still a boys club.

flower joke this site has become.

its like anything to do with the Howard. Everything they do, is wrong.

Im flower sick of it to be honest.

The club for the first time in 5 years is heading in the right direction, on and off the field - but still people want to think its still a boys club.

FFS

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I'm with ya SS. Swann is there and will make the right unbiased decision. And Ratten needs to be given some credit.

btw, Bond played for the Blues also so he's not 100% independent anyway.

I just don't think anyone really knows what the selection process has been... hence, I think there needs to be a little caution about getting stuck into it.

The only 'facts' we currently know are that the selection panel involved Swan, Icke, Sticks, and Gleeson.

The emerging 'fact' would seem to be that Ratten has the job.

So people come up with Sticks + Gleeson + Icke + Swan = Ratten.

They then decide that Sticks and Gleeson used to play with Ratten, so therefore the sum is Sticks + Gleeson = Ratten.

It may be the case that this is the way it worked out, but then again it may be the case that it wasn't how it happened too. There are too many known unknowns or whatever Rumsfeld said at the moment for anyone to be able to make sweeping claims about the nature of the selection process. I just think people should hold off a bit until more comes to light... because for all we know, it really may have been quite an open assessment.

The paranoia is really driven by Kernahan's involvement. Well let me say one thing here... I don't rate Kernahan's nous, and he certainly is responsible for some of the difficulties in which we have found ourselves. But look at the rest of his generation of team mates, and you will see that he is the one bloke who has stuck with this club come hell or high water. Where have SOS, Diesel, Ratten, Brown, McKay, etc been throughout all of these past seven years? Not one of them has been at the club, for the club for the same amount of time as Sticks. I think he deserves a little bit of respect for that, and not the derision to which he is constantly subjected on this site. Yes he has been behind some major blunders, and there remain major question marks over him... but he deserves our utmost respect for sticking fat and trying to work through the errors. His loyalty may be a hinderance, but it is funny when the tide turns that loyalty will be seen as a strength. Hands up those in the Liberal Party who were sticking with Howard in 1991? I bet you could count them on one hand.

I almost agree with Scott

@#$%&! the "process'
Melbourne interviewed 20 guys. They have made a "shortlist" of 12. Thats not a shortlist, thats a list. Then they are going to do interviews then psychology tests then let the panel pick. They end up knowing their coach by round 3 2008.

St Kilda went through the process last year and ended up with Ross Lyon which ha taken their club backwards.

Ratten is not Mitchell. He's a qualified smart footy man and he played for Carlton. Many see his Carlton background as a disadvantage. I don't.

Before Pagan was sacked, we as fans had a list of 4-5 candidates and ratten was one of the favourites. How did it become a rash decision

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whilst it could have the look of 'jobs for mates', I do put a lot of faith in Greg Swann and believe he is such a good operator, that anything less than the propoer process would raise alarm bells with him.

I dare say that a phone call from him to Dick would then get things happening.

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