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Barry Hall applied himself under the right coach, why cant Fev?
Fev is fit and physically capable unlike Lance who is decline with a wonky knee and weight problems.
Lance should have been traded a couple of years back when he was worth something...
Fev has kicked 50+ goals without really applying himself.....imagine if Ratten can get his head right and a half decent game plan.
Fev can improve his output...Lance will be battling to maintain what he has over the last couple of years which has been bugger all in reality.

I think the choice of who to keep and who to let go is easy.....

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welcomebackcattogio wrote:
popeye wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
How about we forget about trading Fevola and think about building a team around him

With Fev in the team we got a good forwardline.

We need to fix up the backline and midfield

Concentrate on those things, rather then trading your best player at the club to set back the club 3 years unless you get a Pav, Revolt, JB out of the trade.
You trade a key forward with a keyforward right?

Otherwise who will kick the goals.

Great to get a judd, del santo like player for Fev, but who do they kick it to in the forwardline?

Josh Kennedy? Wiggins? Fisher? Waite? None of those players can consistently kick goals with the best backman on them in the league and Fev takes a double team every game cos thats how good he is.

I know you guys are smarter then wanting to trade one of the best forwards in the league. I hope i'm right


That logic has landed us two spoons and a probable 15th. You see, the problem has been building around one individual who is selfish. There was a documentary on fox sports last night on the team behind the team, worth watching. Spoke about team chemistry and how important it is.

And including Kennedy in the argument is a little naive, the kid is only 19. Can you remember what Fev was like at 19? I can, and apart from kicking a bag in the millenium game against D graders, he had done nothing. And has Fev consistently kicked goals against the best backman? Let's see his stats vs. Rutten and Glass.


You remember shit. Fev actually kicked 26.29 from 14 games (most of them starting on the bench) when he was 19. That tally would currently have him sitting 2nd on our goal kicking list as far as 2007 goes & if we had a 19 year old that was doing that now we'd be hailing him our saviour.

Why dont YOU check his stats v Glass and Rutten. Could of sworn he has kicked 8 in a pre season final on Glass & also had games where he's kicked between 4 and 6 goals on him. From memory he's only played on Rutten 2 or 3 times and I remember at least one bag of 4. One of the D graders you refer to in the millenium game by the way was Mal Michael. You remember what he achieved a couple of years after that don't you?


Gee, 8 in a pre-season final. Can't argue with that fact.

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Synbad wrote:
Common sense should prevail.... alot of blokes outside of the square historically have contributed to premiership wins!!!...



Interesting. So you don't have to be an out and out superstar at 18 years of age to contribute to a Premiership. You don't HAVE to be a number one draft pick to have played in a Premiership. I am totally aghast at this news! Whoever would have thought it??


This from a geezer whose sole purpose in life at the moment is to barrack against us, watch us lose every game so we can draft the A #1 buzz schoolboy champion who will lift us to premiership glory over and over and over again all on his own boot. This as an insurance policy so that he doesn't play well against us for the next decade or so.

Contradictions oozing out everywhere from this blokes mouth.


Sorry to point out your deficiencies from time to SB but a/ there are so many of them (and I don't even bother reading most of your dribble) and b/ they are so damned hilarious.

I am still waiting for the promised "Voss as coach" and now apparently it is gonna be Ratten. Well BLOW ME DOWN! Do you really think Ratten is in the mix?? God, whoever your source is must really be close to the club!

Shit, I'm still waiting on something huge to happen on a Friday.
But of course.. you were right about Pagan coming to Carlton 5 years ago.. along with half the populated world. Well done on that one!

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Before this year Glass has regularly trailed Fev around the oval with his pants around his ankles...


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And for all those who think that Matt Kruezer is going to be the panacea for all our ills and weaknesses and that we should go all out to get him, think about this.


In 20 years of drafts since 1986, a grand total of how many Top 10 draftees have actutally played in Premierships.


200 guys drafted in the top 10 in all those years.

And the answer.

19.

LESS THAN 10% OF TOP 10 DRAFT PICKS HAVE PLAYED IN A PREMIERSHIP!

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I've always said we should trade away our First, Second and Third Round Draft Picks - and head straight for Picks 50 and beyond - thats where all the real Premiership talent lies.

What is it they say about taking a shovel and start digging and you end up in .................. the looney bin. :roll:

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Change thread name to Fevola Contract? lol

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chyna wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Common sense should prevail.... alot of blokes outside of the square historically have contributed to premiership wins!!!...



Interesting. So you don't have to be an out and out superstar at 18 years of age to contribute to a Premiership. You don't HAVE to be a number one draft pick to have played in a Premiership. I am totally aghast at this news! Whoever would have thought it??


This from a geezer whose sole purpose in life at the moment is to barrack against us, watch us lose every game so we can draft the A #1 buzz schoolboy champion who will lift us to premiership glory over and over and over again all on his own boot. This as an insurance policy so that he doesn't play well against us for the next decade or so.

Contradictions oozing out everywhere from this blokes mouth.


Sorry to point out your deficiencies from time to SB but a/ there are so many of them (and I don't even bother reading most of your dribble) and b/ they are so damned hilarious.

I am still waiting for the promised "Voss as coach" and now apparently it is gonna be Ratten. Well BLOW ME DOWN! Do you really think Ratten is in the mix?? God, whoever your source is must really be close to the club!

Shit, I'm still waiting on something huge to happen on a Friday.
But of course.. you were right about Pagan coming to Carlton 5 years ago.. along with half the populated world. Well done on that one!



Dont have a clue what youre rambling about but i must stay.. stuff happens every friday if youre alive to it. :wink:

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chyna wrote:
And for all those who think that Matt Kruezer is going to be the panacea for all our ills and weaknesses and that we should go all out to get him, think about this.


In 20 years of drafts since 1986, a grand total of how many Top 10 draftees have actutally played in Premierships.


200 guys drafted in the top 10 in all those years.

And the answer.

19.

LESS THAN 10% OF TOP 10 DRAFT PICKS HAVE PLAYED IN A PREMIERSHIP!


With 16 clubs in the competition you're only a 1 in 16 chance to play in a premiership each year - top 10 draft or not.

It all depends on the cattle around you.

Take a look at the percentages for ALL players - I'm sure it will be just as low.

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popeye wrote:
welcomebackcattogio wrote:
popeye wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
How about we forget about trading Fevola and think about building a team around him

With Fev in the team we got a good forwardline.

We need to fix up the backline and midfield

Concentrate on those things, rather then trading your best player at the club to set back the club 3 years unless you get a Pav, Revolt, JB out of the trade.
You trade a key forward with a keyforward right?

Otherwise who will kick the goals.

Great to get a judd, del santo like player for Fev, but who do they kick it to in the forwardline?

Josh Kennedy? Wiggins? Fisher? Waite? None of those players can consistently kick goals with the best backman on them in the league and Fev takes a double team every game cos thats how good he is.

I know you guys are smarter then wanting to trade one of the best forwards in the league. I hope i'm right


That logic has landed us two spoons and a probable 15th. You see, the problem has been building around one individual who is selfish. There was a documentary on fox sports last night on the team behind the team, worth watching. Spoke about team chemistry and how important it is.

And including Kennedy in the argument is a little naive, the kid is only 19. Can you remember what Fev was like at 19? I can, and apart from kicking a bag in the millenium game against D graders, he had done nothing. And has Fev consistently kicked goals against the best backman? Let's see his stats vs. Rutten and Glass.


You remember shit. Fev actually kicked 26.29 from 14 games (most of them starting on the bench) when he was 19. That tally would currently have him sitting 2nd on our goal kicking list as far as 2007 goes & if we had a 19 year old that was doing that now we'd be hailing him our saviour.

Why dont YOU check his stats v Glass and Rutten. Could of sworn he has kicked 8 in a pre season final on Glass & also had games where he's kicked between 4 and 6 goals on him. From memory he's only played on Rutten 2 or 3 times and I remember at least one bag of 4. One of the D graders you refer to in the millenium game by the way was Mal Michael. You remember what he achieved a couple of years after that don't you?


Gee, 8 in a pre-season final. Can't argue with that fact.


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So we now have 18 flags of course (or is that 20)

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chyna wrote:
And for all those who think that Matt Kruezer is going to be the panacea for all our ills and weaknesses and that we should go all out to get him, think about this.


In 20 years of drafts since 1986, a grand total of how many Top 10 draftees have actutally played in Premierships.


200 guys drafted in the top 10 in all those years.

And the answer.

19.

LESS THAN 10% OF TOP 10 DRAFT PICKS HAVE PLAYED IN A PREMIERSHIP!
Don't look at the draft from 1986-1994 as those years were more to do with the VFL,i think the real draft was after that.


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popeye wrote:
welcomebackcattogio wrote:
popeye wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
How about we forget about trading Fevola and think about building a team around him

With Fev in the team we got a good forwardline.

We need to fix up the backline and midfield

Concentrate on those things, rather then trading your best player at the club to set back the club 3 years unless you get a Pav, Revolt, JB out of the trade.
You trade a key forward with a keyforward right?

Otherwise who will kick the goals.

Great to get a judd, del santo like player for Fev, but who do they kick it to in the forwardline?

Josh Kennedy? Wiggins? Fisher? Waite? None of those players can consistently kick goals with the best backman on them in the league and Fev takes a double team every game cos thats how good he is.

I know you guys are smarter then wanting to trade one of the best forwards in the league. I hope i'm right


That logic has landed us two spoons and a probable 15th. You see, the problem has been building around one individual who is selfish. There was a documentary on fox sports last night on the team behind the team, worth watching. Spoke about team chemistry and how important it is.

And including Kennedy in the argument is a little naive, the kid is only 19. Can you remember what Fev was like at 19? I can, and apart from kicking a bag in the millenium game against D graders, he had done nothing. And has Fev consistently kicked goals against the best backman? Let's see his stats vs. Rutten and Glass.


You remember shit. Fev actually kicked 26.29 from 14 games (most of them starting on the bench) when he was 19. That tally would currently have him sitting 2nd on our goal kicking list as far as 2007 goes & if we had a 19 year old that was doing that now we'd be hailing him our saviour.

Why dont YOU check his stats v Glass and Rutten. Could of sworn he has kicked 8 in a pre season final on Glass & also had games where he's kicked between 4 and 6 goals on him. From memory he's only played on Rutten 2 or 3 times and I remember at least one bag of 4. One of the D graders you refer to in the millenium game by the way was Mal Michael. You remember what he achieved a couple of years after that don't you?


Gee, 8 in a pre-season final. Can't argue with that fact.


Absolutely pointless checking Fev's stats vs the likes of the best defenders until we get our ruck and midfield sorted.
Once we can win the ruck contests decisively and consistently and pump the ball in quickly to Fev on the lead THEN compare how he rates.

Fev would have to be the best forward in the comp at the moment on the basis of goals kicked for the amount of opportunities presented.
IMHO, if we added even a B+ ruckman and a mature aged midfielder then Fev would consistently kick 100 a year.

Fev has changed his attitude and led the way with his tackling since his return.
We should only trade him for the "absolute deal of the century, " IF he says that he no longer wants to be at the club.

As for Big Red...........time to make way for the next generation.


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chyna wrote:
And for all those who think that Matt Kruezer is going to be the panacea for all our ills and weaknesses and that we should go all out to get him, think about this.


In 20 years of drafts since 1986, a grand total of how many Top 10 draftees have actutally played in Premierships.


200 guys drafted in the top 10 in all those years.

And the answer.

19.


LESS THAN 10% OF TOP 10 DRAFT PICKS HAVE PLAYED IN A PREMIERSHIP!


for some reason the top draft picks always end up at the weak clubs... :wink:

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Fev's trade value just went up.

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Lurker Blue wrote:
Fev's trade value just went up.

Pavlich a Docker for life





Ummmmmmmmm

theres a reason Fevs trade value went up!!!!!!!!!!

Its cos hes the best forward in the league and anyone talking about trading him l have no respect for and have no idea.

If you watched his last few games, hes tackling, chasing, shepharding, handballing to team mates, doing the team things.

For you Fev trade talkers, how about u come to the games instead of watching it on tv


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womack wrote:
chyna wrote:
And for all those who think that Matt Kruezer is going to be the panacea for all our ills and weaknesses and that we should go all out to get him, think about this.


In 20 years of drafts since 1986, a grand total of how many Top 10 draftees have actutally played in Premierships.


200 guys drafted in the top 10 in all those years.

And the answer.

19.


LESS THAN 10% OF TOP 10 DRAFT PICKS HAVE PLAYED IN A PREMIERSHIP!


for some reason the top draft picks always end up at the weak clubs... :wink:


Lol, i guess we should win the next 3 games then

top 10 picks are a curse :)


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Goltzenberg wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Fev's trade value just went up.

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Ummmmmmmmm

theres a reason Fevs trade value went up!!!!!!!!!!

Its cos hes the best forward in the league

Way to miss the point. :roll:

Fev's trade value just went up because the market for quality forwards just got smaller.

Supply and demand.

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Lurker Blue wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Fev's trade value just went up.

Pavlich a Docker for life





Ummmmmmmmm

theres a reason Fevs trade value went up!!!!!!!!!!

Its cos hes the best forward in the league

Way to miss the point. :roll:

Fev's trade value just went up because the market for quality forwards just got smaller.

Supply and demand.


Nah didnt miss the point, l know you werent suggesting to trade him but a lot of people on here would take that as we could trade fev for a top player and have wet dreams over it :)

I'm just sick of hearing the fev trade thing, it wont happen unless he wants it too

You dont go on footy classified and say you wanna stay a blue with 3 games to go in the season then ask for a trade. and he holds all the cards at trade time not the club under his contract.


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Goltzenberg wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Lurker Blue wrote:
Fev's trade value just went up.

Pavlich a Docker for life





Ummmmmmmmm

theres a reason Fevs trade value went up!!!!!!!!!!

Its cos hes the best forward in the league

Way to miss the point. :roll:

Fev's trade value just went up because the market for quality forwards just got smaller.

Supply and demand.


Nah didnt miss the point, l know you werent suggesting to trade him but a lot of people on here would take that as we could trade fev for a top player and have wet dreams over it :)

I'm just sick of hearing the fev trade thing, it wont happen unless he wants it too

You dont go on footy classified and say you wanna stay a blue with 3 games to go in the season then ask for a trade. and he holds all the cards at trade time not the club under his contract.


No, no, no, no and no. The club holds the cards. There is a rule that stops a player being traded under contract, but only in the year they signed the contract.


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