I heard on SEN this morning that Caro wrote in today's Age that Brisbane are keen to re-sign Lethal because they fear he will receive a godfather deal from another club, which i assume is us

What you like basing that on??

A couple interviews on tv? You could put a danoz direct guy in front of the camera and aslong as he had half a clue about football he would sound like a awesome coach.

Dennis Pagan was a good salesperson and used all the key sales pitches in his press conferences. I did a sales work in the past and you get told what triggers peoples emotions and gets them to buy what they say.

Voss and Bond might both sound great on tv and intelligent/articulate, but that doesn't mean they will be great coaches.

Ratts has the players respect and they are playing for him. I would hate to get another coach in and the players dont respond to him

There has been one occasion where popular opinion has resulted in a change in coaching appointment and in that case, it turned out to be spectacularly successful.

I see a lot of parallels between what happened at Sydney in 2002 when Paul Roos became caretaker coach and then Terry Wallace was allegedly appointed. News of this got out to the media and Sydney popular opinion was so in favour of Paul Roos (maybe because he was a favourite son of the club) that the Board of the Swans backed down and appointed Roos. He of course has taken them to a premiership in 2005 and a GF appearance the year after.

The reason I say there are parallels with Ratten is that I think Roos had the support of the players during his tenure as assistant and subsequently as caretaker coach. It seems from the increased workrate and increased enjoyment and competitive nature of the side under Ratten's tenure may have resulted from a change in coach. I was interested to hear a comment by the commentary team at AAMI stadium to the effect that Ratten seemed very much "in education mode" rather than laying down the law and giving a bake. A bake is ok when you have senior players who are not putting in but when the side consists mostly of younger players, it must be an education.

I would be hoping this repeats itself at Carlton; however, I do want the best coach available. I don't think anyone here would be able to get a gut feel on who is better given that no one here will sit on the interview process and post about it. There may be posters here who may sit on the interview process but I would be putting a house on the line to say that they wouldn't say anything about it until the coach is announced. In fact, I would be disappointed if they did because it would be highly unprofessional.

The favourite son philosophy can work if the son is good enough. For Ratten's sake, I hope he is.

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the players may respect ratten, but that does not make him the best person for the job.

how much did the players respect ratten when they kicked 0.3 in the first 1/4 v port on 2.1 in the last 1/4 when the game was up for grabs?

IMO we put too much emphasis on players respecting coaches.

most if not all of our players would not have had anything to do with bond or the other coaches out there, so they would no reason to NOT respect him.
if a new coach comes in and the players do NOT respond to him, then that is a poor reflection on the playing group and IMO a playing group that is not going anywhere.

The woeful first quarter last week was poor execution. It wasn't driven by the players not respecting the coach and following the game plan. Give me a break... the players aren't robots. The game plan was followed, the execution was lacking (turnovers gallore). When the third quarter came, the execution matched the plan... they just tired in the end.

You have to give Carlton credit,they playing a top 4 team in the league right now on their home ground.

Don't forget that and their youngest side in 37 years against a top 4 team!!!

To get the team back in the lead at the end of the 3rd qtr shows the coach got them going at half time etc.

And either port lifted to their top 4 skills or carlton fatigued. Blues did have a few road trips to perth and gabba etc , the last 5 rounds.

and usually when you play young kids, they fatigue at the end of the season

so in that case the third 1/4 effort v port had very little to do with ratten getting the players to respond and just better execution of the gameplan.

i am not knocking ratten here or his gameplan, but i hear so much about the players responding to ratten, when in 3 games I am yet to see a FOUR 1/4 effort put in by the players.

hence we place too much emphasis on players responding/respecting coaches.

great, the coach got them going at 1/2 time, credit gets given there BUT
i want the players going from the 1st bounce, not 1/2 time or 1/4 time.

that was my point we bang on about what a great effort it was to kick 8 straight in the third 1/4, but ignore the fact we only turned up to play one 1/4 out of 4.

let's give a full appraisal, not a selective appraisal.

I tend to agree with Josh ....my preference would be Chris Bond. I wont be dissapointed if Brett Ratten gets the job and good luck to him but I think after the hype and emotion of the favourite son returning home wears off that Brett might not be as sharp a coach or have the tactical/technical nous that Bond has.
I also think Ratten might not be able to divorce himself from the players as easily and make some of the hard calls on the list that need to be made. Bond doesnt have any of those loyalties and maybe could be more objective.
The players obviously want Ratten which makes it very hard for a no name like Bond to get the job...the Voss brand name would have overcome that problem but Bond doesnt have that profile of a ex champion player to get him across the line like Voss did.

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I can't think of a coach, great or otherwise, who got 4 quarter efforts from his players in even 50% of games over the course of his career. The nature of the game is that it ebbs and flows, teams go hard then take the foot off the pedal, key playmakers are rested for periods and momentum shifts. All of this is amplified with a young group.

Leigh Matthews Brisbane side of 2001-2003 put their foot to the pedal on a regular basis more than any other team I can think of but now he has a young list and they're hot and cold a lot of the time. Does that make him a crap coach?

Why judge Ratten on a standard that we wouldn't hold Matthews to?

As I said earlier, trying to judge Ratten on three games with a young group is silly. As pointed out by others he seems to be more interested in educating the kids at the moment and that's probably all I can ask. If the selection panel sees a focused, driven individual with a handle on contemporary football when they interview him then that'll be good enough for me.

I think...

(Stows nagging doubt in back pocket)

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One question gentleman, If Bond is so good as some of you say and now favour him,

1. Why has Chris Bond been a bridesmaid so often previously?

No razzle dazzle about Chris Bond....wasnt a champion player so he doesnt come with the favourite son tag or hero status thatRatten or Voss did/does....
Quiet sort of a bloke who probably wouldnt appeal to clubs wanting a Terry Wallet slick media performer.
Unlike Wallace though I think he has much more substance and is a intelligent lateral thinker along the lines of Neil Craig, Clarkson, Roos etc......

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The best coach in the league in recent times is Leigh Matthews.

Three premierships and the rebuilding of Brisbane has been fantastic. He is fast tracking the development of the kids and turning what I would have thought were ordinary players into very handy footballers. He hasn't had the luxury of high draft picks (like us) and had to watch his football side age and then rebuild it. He could have left while on top but wanted the rebuild challenge.

I would be surprised if we don't give him an offer and tempt him to cross borders.

Why are we not talking about Leigh Matthews??? Or has it been merged with some other thread and it is now hiding?

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EB that's not my point however.
His been in the system now for quite a few years, jobs like Richmond, Hawthorn, StKilda and even Kangaroos off memory have come and gone. All clubs except Richmond went for an assistant.
Why hasn't he been given a top job before hand?
Why has he been 2nd or 3rd or 4th inline with these other clubs?
What has he been lacking or perseaved to be lacking?

I have my doubts because of these questions.

Totally agree.

Its good to see some arrogance back from the supporters that we shouldnt lose a game or a quarter infact

Carlton are still at the bottom of the league, a coach coming in won't change that dramatically but will help.

Next year is still going to be a development year with a slight chance of playing finals. If Ratten is educating players and they are responding, then what else do you want.

Ive seen a lot of improvements in the team in the last 3 weeks then the whole season. I'm looking forward to a whole pre season under Ratts then see what the team does.

By the way no one has actually given me any hope that Bond is going to be any good? just that he sounds good in a interview, wowwwww .

Atleast we know what we are getting with Ratten, we don't know with Bond cos hes never coached, only assisted.

i would expect in the circumstances that our players put in at least 1 four 1/4 performance
if the ratten & player realtionship is so great (i am not doubting it is not good), then you would think we could put in at least 1 four 1/4 performance.

you are right, judging ratten on 6 games would not be the best way to judge him, but as supporters there is not much else we can judge him on.

Coached Werribee. Does that count?

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Sure. Barry Mitchells done well with the bullants 2 but the media hasnt built him up this year so u probably wouldnt consider him

Every year the media build up the next big coach, last year longmire, this year voss/bond.

And in the end ross lyon got the gig.

I thought i readCarlton have already closed interviews, i doubt they would of closed interviews already if they werent selecting Ratten. Would be a longer process im sure in determining coach if it wasnt ratten

Then why judge him?

All these arguments about Ratten vs Bond vs whomever are a little ridiculous. It's wild guesswork at best from where we're sitting. It's fine to have a gut feeling about someone (I was hesitant about Voss) but that gut feeling's only really based on a light snack rather than a three course meal.

On top of that - why would Ratten want his players to put in a four quarter performance when three good quarters will show those who count what he can do with a young list and give the club the best young prospect in the land to boot?

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there was no three 1/4 effort, it was a one 1/4 effort.

do you seriously think ratten is tanking?