We're certainly looking a different side under Ratts.

Ongoing performance will be the interesting one if appointed; but....so far so good.

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I love Ratts and I know he loves the club.
BUT
I just have a bad feeling about his appointment. I know he hasnt put a foot wrong at all in his 3 games, but I think weve again been very hasty in our decision making.
Putting emotions aside, Chris Bond seems to have the ability to be able to turn a game fromt he coaches box- he comes across as both a quick and deep thinker about the game..
In fact, Bond seems to tick more boxes as far as Im concerne then Vossy would.

I just hope Swanny and co listen to their head rather then their heart and pick the best coach for 08 and beyond-- to me (and I know I havent been part of the interview process) a combination of Bond as Head coach and Ratts as Senior Assistant would be ideal..
but thats just an opinion.

With you 100% there, Josh.

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I'm a Chris bond fan but what is that based on.
Ratts has been head coach and has turned the team around ie 44 points down to 4 points up in a quarter. Bond has never been head coach. How do you know what he can do based on radio interviews.
Ratts may not be the most articulate bloke but don't be confused. He has been preparing for this job since his playing days.
Ratten got an on the job trial and he has fulfilled the requirements. Thats not hasty. A bird in the hand...
There is always a romance about picking an untrie talent. Bond is untried. Why is selecting Ratts above him hasty.

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I believe Chris Bond is the man we should appoint, a young coach who is hungry and has tremendous faith in his own ability. He is also one of the new breed of coaches who undertsand the modern game and how to develop players.

Although Ratten has done okay since taking over his results must be put in perspective.

We lost to a very flat Pt Adelaide who where struggling after being beaten by an average Adeleaide side the week before.

We lost to Collingwood who subsequently got beaten by Richmond who hadn't been close to winning over the last few months, and

We lost to St Kilda who haven't been exactly setting the world on fire and have trouble kicking big scores.

I honestly believe that we need to get away from looking back to our glory days and build a club for the future. It is this thinking that has us in the whole we are in at the moment. We were the last to accept the salary cap and the last the ever consider rebuilding and not to recycle. WE cannot buy a premiershp anymore. WE need to be the best at recruiting and dvelopment.

I would like to see Bond as coach, with assistants in the mould of an Archer, Hardwick, Hird etc who are just out of the game. People like Bradley, TD, Libba wouldn't get a job anywhere else.

As important as anything else including PP is the development aspect of our coaching, we need to hire the best in this field so we can be the best.

The cleanout has started, I hope that just because there are some signs of imnprovement we don't think that is enough!!!

On what basis are you arguing that Chris Bond will make a better coach than Ratts? Ratts came in as caretaker coach after some pretty ordinary results. I'm not sure Bond would have done much better (and certainly there's nothing to judge this by, since he is not coaching). Conspiracy theory or not, you have to consider the possibility that there isn't much incentive for Ratts to go all out and win, knowing there is a PP that may be added to our draft.

We have come close to winning, and have put up some very honourable results. Can't fault Ratts there. He has already improved on what he was given to work with. You can't expect a 180 degree turn just because we have a new coach. Expectations need to be realistic. Judging by what I've seen Ratts do, he isn't performing too badly at all.

I think Ratten's results are excellent. Look at the side we have been fielding the past few weeks. Youngest in 37 years. Very minimal experience. With the stock he has, he has done a fantastic job - not an okay job. An okay job is losing by 5-6 goals and never being in the hunt. An excellent job is being close to winning each of his 3 games. Exceptional would have been to win a few. Yes the opposition wasn't great, but if you put that into perspective with the cattle we've had, its a pretty bloody good job.

The fact that the Priority Pick's still alive suggests Ratten's been doing a perfect job.

That said I have my doubts about Ratten but I'm buggered if I know how anyone not involved in the interview process can work out whether Ratten or Bond is a better fit for the club at the moment. And those who are involved are still simply making an educated guess.

Last year Neil Craig and Rodney Eade were being hailed as the new messiahs of the coaching landscape and the vast majority on here would have killed to have had either of them. Where are their teams now? Mark Thompson and Dean Laidley were in all sorts and in first and second place on the "who'll be axed first in 07" lists. One looks likely to win this year's flag and the other's done more with a shit list than almost any coach in living memory.

If we go with Ratten then he gets my support for three years to show he has what it takes. Same for Bond or any other person should they be selected. I gave the same support for Pagan who was a worthwhile experiment for three years but not five. Coaches need time to show what they're capable of not three games at the end of a season with the benfit of the freshness that comes with any change of coach.

There aren't any guarantees appointing a coach so all any of us can do is sit back and hope that those entrusted with the decision make a good one.

If Stephen Kernahan were to be hit by a bus tomorrow and the club still decided to go with Ratten I'd probably feel more confident but until whomever gets the job shows what they can do over an extended period of time let's not get carried away with three "honourable" losses.

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I heard Wallsy say Chris bond would be a good coach

I wouldn't take any Wallsy said seriously.

Like seriously, it was Voss, now is Bond?

The players are playing for Ratten, we got our youngest team out there on the park in the last 37 years and just lost to two teams in the finals and one team just outside the 8

Give Ratten some credit, he deserves the gig as far as i'm concerned

A good coach can't do nothing if the players don't wanna play for him and ratten has got the players playing for him and the players want him in 08

You would be crazy to go in a different direction on a untried coach.

Unless you can tell me what Bond's coaching credentials are then stop crapping on about him ok

Ratten 2008

My point is that we have to look forward. I am not saying that Ratten would not be a good coach, I just believe that we should not get carried away with a 3 week (so far) trial. I do not agree that he has done an excellent job so far.

Any coach that takes over has a honeymoon period and considering how down the players were under Pagan, Ratten must have been seen as a breath of fresh air.

If Ratten gets the job I agree he should be given 3 years to show what he has got and to develop this group.

I have to ask though what happened to the theory of getting the 'best' person for the job. Is it Ratten? Is it Bond? Is it anyone else?

The key thing for me looking as an outsider is that Bond has been in the AFL coaching system for a decade and all that have worked with him say he is a readymade AFL coach. Apparently his interviews have been the most impressive. I believe that Swann has got him back for a follow up this week?

Ratten has coached one year at Melbourne and one year in the suburbs and then back to Carlton.

As regards the PP I cannot believe that people say that Ratten is doing well because we still have the PP in our sights. That is ridiculous!

The PP will NOT make us a powerhouse again. It will take smart recruiting, great coaching, development and a strong administration.

I just shows how bad the system is in this regards. In what other sport do you get huge rewards for mediocrity?

In the end I believe that Swann, Icke and Co. will pick the right person.

I still believe we have started the cleanout we need to go all the way. There are to many people at the club now that are to used to losing!!!

Read it again, it is not a critisism of Ratten I just don't believe we should get carried away. It is that same short term thinking that got us in this mess in the first place. We got Pagan in when we were on the way down and he is not a developer of youth and looked what happened.

As for an untried coach, that doesn't make sense. All coaches are untried at some stage and it is fair to say that Ratten is an untried coach at this point.

But as I have said before I will leave it up to the powers in charge!! It is just my opinion.

Good on you CJ69,

for what it is worth I don't agree with you, and I am sincerely hoping that Ratten is appointed on the basis that he has (in my eyes) coached well when given the opportunity. But I think you have articulated several very well considered points, and certainly have given a good indication as to the sorts of reasons as to why we may need to look further than just the bloke who is currently in charge.

Don't worry too much about the characters on here who are quick to disagree with you. Sometimes it is hard to get a word in edgeways when you argue against the prevailing views on the site.

But for what it is worth - as someone who would be very happy to see Ratten get the job - I appreciate the counterpoints you have put up. Keep up the good fight!

good work by ratten to get the team from 44 points down to 4 poinst up

BUT

why were we 44 points down?
why could we only play for 1 quarter?

I just think that putting the two side by side
Bond has
a) more coaching experience
b) coached his own team for longer
c) seems a better public performer
d) has worked under Eade who I consider one of the most tactically adept coaches in the modern game..

I think the last point is the most important- I want a coach who can implement tactics and styles to suit the modern game.
Ratts has learnt under Daniher and Pagan.
I just hope were not blinded by our emotions in making this CRITICAL decision, thats all Im saying.

Icke wouldn't be emotional about it.

Swann wouldn't be emotional about it.

I doubt Pratt would be emotional about it.

So we're talking about Kernahan here then? And Gleeson? And maybe Williams?

Kernahan has a terrible track record. Gleeson, I don't think he has a track record at all. If it's up to those two guys, Ratts would be over the line I'd think.

Surely Icke Swann and Pratt would know that Ratts would have significant support amongst the rank and file supporters..
I just hope that doesnt sway them.. sometimes unpopular decisions are the best ones.

Not to be pedantic but....Bond is actually older than Ratts,,,,,Bond is nearly 39; and Ratts has just turned 36; also....Hardwick finished playing in 2004....Ratts finished playing in 2003.....also not long out of the game.

Bond finished playing in 1999...... so with Ratten; we are getting a young Coach who has more recently finished playing AFL than Bond.

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Why has Bond been in the system for 7-8 years and not got a gig?

You said 10 years in the system but its quoted in this thread he only finished playin in 1999

I just love how media build up a coach to get a bit of a story then all you guys jump on it. Media want to start a bit of a frenzy up so they build anything up.

For example, John longmire last year. He was the man for any head coaching job in the media, had the saints job in the back and ross lyon under the radar got it.

Now where is John Longmire? heard a whisper about him this years trade talk?

I just think alot of Carlton supporters on this site will never be happy with what they got and will always want more even if they got a good coach.

A lot of Carlton supporters thought Pagan was the next big thing when we got him and what happened to that.

Hawks take a coach like clarskon, under rated and hes got the hawks flying

Ratten reminds me of clarkson at the moment, doesnt have all the media hhype behind him but gets the players respect and wanna play for him

colleague of mine has a relative working at the club.

according to colleague's relative, ratts has got the nod from 3 of the (4??) sub-committee members.

i imagine 2 of those would be sticks and gleeson ...

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