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Jarusa wrote:
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Sorry Rhys if I crossed the line
I just hate it how easy it is to disrespect people from behind a keyboard sometimes..


Not having a go at you but GS will go down as the worst president in the history of the AFL/VFL. Unfortunately for us he was the president of the Carlton footy club at a time where we desperately needed a leader.
He might be a great businessman but in regards to football and the way a club is run he was pathetic.
Thankfully voting members aren’t stupid and they voted him out. I wonder how many presidents of football clubs have been turfed in that manner.


Obviously not many, but the man still deserves RESPECT.

GS barracks for the blues like we all do.

It takes balls to put your pride on the line in a popular election.

How about we just act gracefully as a membership and allow those who have braved the odds and failed a dignified exit.

I am sure Graham Smorgon still has much to offer his beloved Blues, just as we all do.

It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.


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Jarusa wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Sorry Rhys if I crossed the line
I just hate it how easy it is to disrespect people from behind a keyboard sometimes..


Not having a go at you but GS will go down as the worst president in the history of the AFL/VFL. Unfortunately for us he was the president of the Carlton footy club at a time where we desperately needed a leader.
He might be a great businessman but in regards to football and the way a club is run he was pathetic.
Thankfully voting members aren’t stupid and they voted him out. I wonder how many presidents of football clubs have been turfed in that manner.


Obviously not many, but the man still deserves RESPECT.

GS barracks for the blues like we all do.

It takes balls to put your pride on the line in a popular election.

How about we just act gracefully as a membership and allow those who have braved the odds and failed a dignified exit.

I am sure Graham Smorgon still has much to offer his beloved Blues, just as we all do.

It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.


Agree! He took on the worst job in footy and did it for free. I'm glad the white knights are here now but it woulda been good to see them in 2003 :? .

GS might not be the most charismatic, or the best Pres in the business but shit, you wouldn't want to sink the boots in too hard :roll: .

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budzy wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Sorry Rhys if I crossed the line
I just hate it how easy it is to disrespect people from behind a keyboard sometimes..


Not having a go at you but GS will go down as the worst president in the history of the AFL/VFL. Unfortunately for us he was the president of the Carlton footy club at a time where we desperately needed a leader.
He might be a great businessman but in regards to football and the way a club is run he was pathetic.
Thankfully voting members aren’t stupid and they voted him out. I wonder how many presidents of football clubs have been turfed in that manner.


Obviously not many, but the man still deserves RESPECT.

GS barracks for the blues like we all do.

It takes balls to put your pride on the line in a popular election.

How about we just act gracefully as a membership and allow those who have braved the odds and failed a dignified exit.

I am sure Graham Smorgon still has much to offer his beloved Blues, just as we all do.

It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.

Respect is earnt ...and I'm sure GS has derservedly earnt respect in other facets of his life & business, but lets not try and kid ourselves and others by suggesting GS' term as CFC President was nothing short of woefull. :wink:
If he can support the club through the coteries or other fund raising means like JE, then great.

Slightly off topic but wondering how the Sydney marketing push by the DCT members of the board is progressing and what have the likes of Littman & Suss brought to the table :?:


He was voted out which reflected on the quality of his tenure.

We as members had our democratic say for the betterment of the club.

But is there any need to lay the boots in when the victim is on the ground? No, because that is gutless.

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Rhys26 wrote:
GS will go down as the worst president in the history of the AFL/VFL


GS took on a basket case when the white knights hadn't got their hands out of their pockets. He failed to make it any better.

If we are talking about presidents who caused the most harm to a club, one couldn't go past the great man who inheritred the most powerful club in the VFL and left it as the most inept club in the AFL. On the brink of receivership; with no understanding of drafting; with woeful facilities; poor membership; dreadful list; crushing debt and a vindictive enemy in the AFL hiearchy, and he couldn't even cheat properly.

You judge presidents by how they leave the club compared to how they find it. GS took over a basket case, and left it about the same. Big JAck took over a powerhouse and reduced it to rubble. Pretty obnoxious bloke too. He clealry has my vote as worst AFL president.


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Agree wholeheartedly with what Jars an Gerry had to say
GS worked his butt off but couldnt get the job done in the finish- the members votes reflected this. He comes from a family who have been very generous benfactors to the club for many a decade.
Thats where it should begin and end.


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Easy to criticize from the sidelines - and not many know how much he did for the club - couldnt bring the members with him so got voted out
But lets not denigrate someone who did his best under extremely dire circumstances
I HOPE he is not lost to Carlton


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Jarusa wrote:
budzy wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Sorry Rhys if I crossed the line
I just hate it how easy it is to disrespect people from behind a keyboard sometimes..


Not having a go at you but GS will go down as the worst president in the history of the AFL/VFL. Unfortunately for us he was the president of the Carlton footy club at a time where we desperately needed a leader.
He might be a great businessman but in regards to football and the way a club is run he was pathetic.
Thankfully voting members aren’t stupid and they voted him out. I wonder how many presidents of football clubs have been turfed in that manner.


Obviously not many, but the man still deserves RESPECT.

GS barracks for the blues like we all do.

It takes balls to put your pride on the line in a popular election.

How about we just act gracefully as a membership and allow those who have braved the odds and failed a dignified exit.

I am sure Graham Smorgon still has much to offer his beloved Blues, just as we all do.

It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.

Respect is earnt ...and I'm sure GS has derservedly earnt respect in other facets of his life & business, but lets not try and kid ourselves and others by suggesting GS' term as CFC President was nothing short of woefull. :wink:
If he can support the club through the coteries or other fund raising means like JE, then great.

Slightly off topic but wondering how the Sydney marketing push by the DCT members of the board is progressing and what have the likes of Littman & Suss brought to the table :?:


He was voted out which reflected on the quality of his tenure.

We as members had our democratic say for the betterment of the club.

But is there any need to lay the boots in when the victim is on the ground? No, because that is gutless.

:lol:
That's a bit dramatic and over the top Jarusa.
I just felt there was a need to challenge Josh's initial post where he painted what I consider to be a distorted picture of how Harrison/Moulton/etc. were brought onto the board and the need for applause & admiration for GS.
Josh is a highly valued member of TC who has in the past generously brought a lot of accurate inside information to TC which he doesn't have to and we should all be greatfull for that, but on this occasion, IMO, the picture needed to be challenged.

I just think it's very important that all future CFC Presidential aspirants need to realise that the office of President is a special position to hold and that there is a very high standard of excellence & leadership that is expected by the membership and if you fall short of that then history will ACCURATELY record it as such, so proceed with the knowledge that you must "deliver" or you will historically suffer the consequences.
A high standard MUST be maintained ..and thankfully we currently have a brilliant President (who also took over the club in dire circumstances) who is swiftly turning things around and also very importantly placing the stature of CFC President on a very high pedestal where it quite rightly belongs.

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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Agree wholeheartedly with what Jars an Gerry had to say
GS worked his butt off but couldnt get the job done in the finish- the members votes reflected this. He comes from a family who have been very generous benfactors to the club for many a decade.
Thats where it should begin and end.


His problem was himself.
Not capable.
Didnt understanbd football.
Didnt understand a football club.
Didnt understand what corporates and sponsors wanted.
Was unable to harness the club.
Was more interested in the club as a trophy than the club itself.

Had no idea.
Had no personality.
The club was still sinking in a pool of quicksand.

How does this bloke run an empire???
simple he turns to Essendons chairman... who also has no idea....

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gerry atric wrote:
If we are talking about presidents who caused the most harm to a club, one couldn't go past the great man who inheritred the most powerful club in the VFL and left it as the most inept club in the AFL. On the brink of receivership; with no understanding of drafting; with woeful facilities; poor membership; dreadful list; crushing debt and a vindictive enemy in the AFL hiearchy, and he couldn't even cheat properly.

You judge presidents by how they leave the club compared to how they find it. GS took over a basket case, and left it about the same. Big JAck took over a powerhouse and reduced it to rubble. Pretty obnoxious bloke too. He clealry has my vote as worst AFL president.


And my vote.

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