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Should Carlton lose the last 8 games this season and get the Priority Pick
YES - lets get picks 1 and 3 this year and be a force for the next 10 seasons 83%  83%  [ 123 ]
NO - we will be right with what we've got 17%  17%  [ 25 ]
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Tank, tank, tank sounds like ......... .......... ..........

Unfortunatly there is a fair bit of it about


Oh and on Saturday, yep I think we did.

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Between 2001 and 2006 here is the distribution of teams finishing around the qualifying mark for the priority pick. Because the cut-off changed, it's recorded as games won below or above the cut-off, rather than raw games won.

1 team finished 3 games under
2 teams finished 2 games under
7 teams finished 1 game under
5 teams finished on the cut-off
1 team finished 1 game over
3 teams finished 2 games over
7 teams finished 3 games over

I can't think of any reason why there would be a sharp drop off in the number of teams finishing 1 or 2 games over the cut-off (other than the priority pick).

Love to see a journalist present this to Demetriou in an interview and see him try and explain it as anything other than tanking.


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2008?

TANK!

Priority pick to stay: AFL
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"You know my view on it … if anyone thinks the priority pick is a panacea for team success, they're delusional. I'm glad that Leigh Matthews came out yesterday and said that people are naive (to think clubs would not want to win)," Demetriou said.

"… I think it's a real blight on the game when people talk about tanking, it questions the integrity of the game. I find it in many ways offensive."

"It's something that gets a run at this time of the year. It'll get a run next year and the year after. Keep talking about it, but we're not changing it because we believe in a system, which is the draft. We've got a priority pick system in place and good luck to whoever gets it.

"No, we won't be looking at it, and I hope that that will stop the debate, but it probably won't — it gets oxygen every week."

You owe us two you flowering prick! :evil:
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Demetriou said history backed his argument that the priority pick would not lead to a club's instant salvation.

"Please go back through the records and tell me if anyone who's got a priority pick has won a flag in the last few years. This was reviewed a couple of years ago. It's now averaged over two years, we don't change the rules every single time that someone raises it as an issue."

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2001 AFL draft.

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles

The Eagles nearly won two flags. :roll:

Hawks will go close to winning at least one flag with Roughead, Franklin and Ellis.


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Mordan wrote:
Between 2001 and 2006 here is the distribution of teams finishing around the qualifying mark for the priority pick. Because the cut-off changed, it's recorded as games won below or above the cut-off, rather than raw games won.

1 team finished 3 games under
2 teams finished 2 games under
7 teams finished 1 game under
5 teams finished on the cut-off
1 team finished 1 game over
3 teams finished 2 games over
7 teams finished 3 games over

I can't think of any reason why there would be a sharp drop off in the number of teams finishing 1 or 2 games over the cut-off (other than the priority pick).

Love to see a journalist present this to Demetriou in an interview and see him try and explain it as anything other than tanking.


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Not that we will, but if we only won 4 games next year, do we get a PP before the 2008 draft? Or do we start at the beginning of another 2 year cycle?

What happens if a team wins less than 5 games 3 years running?


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camelboy wrote:
Crowds are up. Ratings are up.


Crowds are up. Attendances are up. Ratings are up. TV viewing is up. Anderson is up... Dim-Wit-Rious's arse.

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JohnM wrote:
Not that we will, but if we only won 4 games next year, do we get a PP before the 2008 draft? Or do we start at the beginning of another 2 year cycle?

What happens if a team wins less than 5 games 3 years running?



I would like to know what happened to the 2005, 2006 2 year cycle.


Nothing like a bit of restrospective legislation to really screw someone up the clacker Demetrispew.

George Bush and Guantanamo Bay could not have done any better. :roll:

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As the AFL has repeatedly stated Tanking is a fallacy its not real it doesn't exist, supporters would rather see their team win than loose. 8)


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DenimUndies wrote:
As the AFL has repeatedly stated Tanking is a fallacy its not real it doesn't exist, supporters would rather see their team win than loose. 8)



Yep under Pagan we had been playing loose. :wink:

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Tony Shaw disbelieves tanking by Carlton exists....from The Age today.

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tanks ... 32424.html

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During the week, I find myself desperately hoping that we lose our next three games. During the games, I find myself desperately hoping that we win, with priority picks the furthest things from my mind - and I suspect it'll be the same until Round 22.

Right now, I am secretly hoping that we get the Priority Pick. This year's talent pool is shallow, and having an extra pick in the top three will go long way to our continued resurgence as a force. The difference between getting two of Kreuzer/Cotchin/Masten/Morton (also being able to get our first preference), and selecting only one from the ones left by Richmond & Melbourne is quite significant, I think. One player won't solve our woes, but they'll go a long way in doing so. Look at Murphy - take him out of our midfield, and suddenly it loses some of it's lustre. Conversely, just as an example, throw Kreuzer and Cotchin in, and suddenly we have, potentially, an elite ruckman who is able to play that vital '5th midfielder' role, and an elite midfielder who adds yet another string to our bow. Cotchin in particular will provide us with a bit more of that legspeed that is so important.

I'm not saying that I want to see our boys go out there and lose, and I think it's reasonable to expect that we'll beat both Essendon* and Melbourne, but the addition of an extra quality youngster come Draft day is enough to help me get over a couple of losses. I'll admit, though, that if we lose to the Bombers and the Kangas, but beat Melbourne, I'll rue the loss of what I consider a great opportunity.


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BlueIce wrote:
2001 AFL draft.

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles



This is the issue i have with people going back on past priority picks. The first 3 listed above are not the reward for a priority pick, as they would of been selected 1, 2 and 3 anyway. The real priority pick is Polak, Clarke and Sampi of which NONE had an impact on winning a Premiership.

When you apply this to Carlton, Murphy, Gibbs we would of picked up anyway, it is Kennedy and Grigg who are the bonuses for us.

The 2007 ND is the first case of the Priority pick having a huge bearing on the draft as another club is disadvantaged finishing bottom and won't receive full benefit for there position (pending we lose remaining games and qualify for PP).

Anyway, I think I'm a tanker during the week, come game time I'm half/half, when we are close to winning, cmon you good things :lol:

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I want the PP after seeing highlights from Franklin's game on the weekend. :shock: :cry:

I'm not saying picks 1 and 3 will be as good as Franklin, but we need as much talent as we can get our hands on if we want to challenge the likes of WCE, Geelong, Hawthorn and Port for a flag. You might say the Roos are up there without first round picks, but you're kidding yourself if you think they are going to win a premiership with that list.

Whitnall beating a half fit Scott Lucas on the weekend or kicking four goals isn't going to help much in three years time. Cotchin and Morton could be anything in three years time and provide the skill we need to knock off someone like Hawthorn in the finals.

I think both players are bottom age. :? :idea:

Kreuzer isn't the be all, end all. :garthp:

We won't get them. :( :evil:


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mjonc wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
2001 AFL draft.

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles



This is the issue i have with people going back on past priority picks. The first 3 listed above are not the reward for a priority pick, as they would of been selected 1, 2 and 3 anyway. The real priority pick is Polak, Clarke and Sampi of which NONE had an impact on winning a Premiership.

When you apply this to Carlton, Murphy, Gibbs we would of picked up anyway, it is Kennedy and Grigg who are the bonuses for us.

The 2007 ND is the first case of the Priority pick having a huge bearing on the draft as another club is disadvantaged finishing bottom and won't receive full benefit for there position (pending we lose remaining games and qualify for PP).

Anyway, I think I'm a tanker during the week, come game time I'm half/half, when we are close to winning, cmon you good things :lol:


Good point Mjonc


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nytdog wrote:
mjonc wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
2001 AFL draft.

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles



This is the issue i have with people going back on past priority picks. The first 3 listed above are not the reward for a priority pick, as they would of been selected 1, 2 and 3 anyway. The real priority pick is Polak, Clarke and Sampi of which NONE had an impact on winning a Premiership.

When you apply this to Carlton, Murphy, Gibbs we would of picked up anyway, it is Kennedy and Grigg who are the bonuses for us.

The 2007 ND is the first case of the Priority pick having a huge bearing on the draft as another club is disadvantaged finishing bottom and won't receive full benefit for there position (pending we lose remaining games and qualify for PP).

Anyway, I think I'm a tanker during the week, come game time I'm half/half, when we are close to winning, cmon you good things :lol:


Good point Mjonc


I don't get it... So Freo had a priority pick with pick 4?

Who's to say freo would not have picked Judd at 1?

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bluechucky wrote:
nytdog wrote:
mjonc wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
2001 AFL draft.

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Luke Hodge Geelong Falcons Hawthorn
Priority 2 Luke Ball Sandringham Dragons St Kilda
Priority 3 Chris Judd Sandringham Dragons West Coast Eagles
1 4 Graham Polak East Fremantle Football Club Fremantle
1 5 Xavier Clarke St Mary's Football Club St Kilda
1 6 Ashley Sampi South Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles



This is the issue i have with people going back on past priority picks. The first 3 listed above are not the reward for a priority pick, as they would of been selected 1, 2 and 3 anyway. The real priority pick is Polak, Clarke and Sampi of which NONE had an impact on winning a Premiership.

When you apply this to Carlton, Murphy, Gibbs we would of picked up anyway, it is Kennedy and Grigg who are the bonuses for us.

The 2007 ND is the first case of the Priority pick having a huge bearing on the draft as another club is disadvantaged finishing bottom and won't receive full benefit for there position (pending we lose remaining games and qualify for PP).

Anyway, I think I'm a tanker during the week, come game time I'm half/half, when we are close to winning, cmon you good things :lol:


Good point Mjonc


I don't get it... So Freo had a priority pick with pick 4?

Who's to say freo would not have picked Judd at 1?


Freo had pick one and traded it away for Croad I think. The PP effectively gave them pick 4, because if there was no PP they would have had pick 1 anyway.


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The wise amongst us favour tanking
On priority picks we are banking
A mid or a ruck
We could not give a flower
So we hope that our team gets a spanking*.



*any negative margin will actually do :wink:

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bluedog wrote:
The wise amongst us favour tanking
On priority picks we are banking
A mid or a ruck
We could not give a flower
So we hope that our team gets a spanking*.



*any negative margin will actually do :wink:


:-D 8) :wink:

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