whitnall + fisher + 2nd round pick for griffen

my wonderful mind doesnt stop there

pick 3 + hartlett for judd

out whitnall, fisher & hartlett
in kreuzer, judd & griffen

MAKE IT HAPPEN.

mmmm.....very interesting

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If Whitnall gets a contract next season then you pretty much know that we are still a boys club.

One year for Lance, will keep him lean and keen

Two years for Fev. Fev will settle down once he starts getting some decent consistant delivery when Nick gets back.

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..you don't trade Fisher.. ..he's extremely hard to match up on, takes consistent contested marks and has been averaging 2/3 goals per game for pretty much most of the season.. ..and he leads up the ground quite good as well.. ..the big red as much as i like hasn't got much of a chance for next year i'm afraid..

..now, in regards to Fev.. ..he is easily, easily a tonne a year goalkicker in even a mediocre side.. ..and next year we can aimn for mediocrity..heh.. ..a sad truth.. ..but in all seriousness Fev cracks the sads out of sheer fustration.. ..sure i know that's little excuse for his childish antics but he's carried the team for the past four of five years.. ..we'd be lucky to have won half the games we have over that time if we didn't have him..

..look at teams with good defences and midfields, a'la eagles and bulldawgs.. ..both are teams screaming for a quality FF.. ..we've got a weak spine as a team, we're crying out for a strong FB, and now ppl are considering trading our FF.. ..ppl are yabbering on about Fev not being in the team when we're challenging for our next flag.. ..i reckon without Fev we won't be challenging for shizen..

..you'll see a new Fev next year.. ..namely a better midfield and with him now getting better support from fellow forwards (see Fisher) he'll be awesome.. ..also note that next year any Fev shenannigans will see him dropped from the team and he knows this.. ..he knows he's at a new club.. ..and ultimately, we need his passion.. ..just this passed weekend the delivery he was getting was fantastic, some of the best in a very long time.. ..with that midfield support Fev will be the oppositions biggest headache..

..it's strange, with all the scientific and medical research going into the game, with the high levels of professionalism and full-time players etc etc etc.. ..long distance kicking accuracy with FF's hasn't improved much over say the last score years.. ..and Fev can reliably kick goals from outside the fifty day in day out.. ..and you just can't trade for that.... ..and Judd isn't worth that.. ..the steeenkin' eagles have Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Braun, Embley etc etc and those poor bastards kill themselves week in and week out cos Lynch isn't a pimple on Fev's hairy buttocks.. ..teams like the eagles and dogs rely on their midfield to kick goals.. ..we trade Fev, and we'll need to rely on the same.. ..and our midfield ain't there yet.. ..we get rid of Fev and they won't get there either..

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No place for Lance... He's too slow for defense and not strong enough as a forward. With younger players emerging, it would probably be a better option for him to go to another team willing to take him, that may be able to cover his deficiencies and utilize his talent. He is talented, just not committed and in shape. Maybe a performance based contract for the blues... but probably not.

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If Whitnall's mobility is affected by his knee complaint, he could only play out of the goal square as a marking forward. That's a pretty restricted position for an AFL listed player. His time might be up as an AFL player, whether he is recontracted should be down to the club's medical staff.
Either way I think his captaincy should be over and the captaincy given to someone more youthful. Sad but that's how it goes.

Maybe Ratts could move Lance from CHF to CHB & then move him from CHB to CHF & then give him a spell on the bench.

I can recall a previous Carlton Coach doing that but his name escapes me

You tell me which first rounders and ill tell you if id trade him....

2 and 4 or 16 and 17???

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Only the inner sanctum knows Brendans fate, so we have to trust the reasons why we traded or kept Fev. Personally, qualty FF's dont grow on trees so im leaning towards the preferance of keeping him even though he's as dumb as d0g$h!t.

As for Lance i dont mind if he stays but strictly squad depth styles, unless he somehow turns it around. If they chop then so be it.

And as for trading Fisher, as ta jokes re tranlated to 'your kidding' he pushes up, good dukes, and is almost always amongst the goals.

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Fev is 27 next year ...so what!

G-Train is 31....2 years ago when the Aints were all the rage he was 29!
Only support he's had is Revolt and some scum with dodgy knees.

Imagine Fev in 2 years.....Fisher, Waite, Kennedy....etc

Ablett, Lockett, Dunstall...were all playing good footy in their 30's....I know they were all champions...but Fev is one of the only true spearheads we've ever had. Barry Hall turned his career around, maybe Fev can to.

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No, No, No, No, why can't people let it go, his finished Whitnall,believe me Kennedy doesn't need him to hold his hand,Kennedy wants to make his mark next year,not star but try playing the full season along Fisher and others.

I want the club to go bang bang bang next year,no talk of giving up,start the season winning the first 3 games,with Whitnall there we will start the season on the backfoot again believe me for the first 8 weeks just to get him into the game and supporters will give up already if we are 2 wins or less and the season would be heading down the toilet again,believe me he will get in the way of Fevola and everyone in the forward line,his only place is Full Forward if Fevola is gone,then he might get a year or two if his knees can handle it,but would be a short term Full Forward.

Fevola is the only player that can win you a game in our side not even Murphy could do it.i think people look at his age being 27 and think he might be finished at 30,but what stopping him playing to 34 if he hasn't really suffered injuries,i can't remember how old Dunstall,Lockett was when they finished but i think he could get to about the same age. It would be good to get two midfielders for him but will these 2 midfielders be equal to someone like Bentick and Blackwell.then we get rid of them or two guys similiar to Jordan Russell,makes no sense or is it we getting judd and their 1st round pick that i doubt they would give.

That's crazy get rid of the only guy in the forward line who you guarantee of taking a mark and helps the full forward kicking goals, Fisher. I actually think Fisher along with Murphy,Gibbs,Simpson,Carazoo and Stevens is the most important player more then Waite,Walker,Scotland,Thornton,Houilhan and Ohailipin,the guy has had alot of injuries and probably still hasn't played to his best yet.

I love Lance, but if his knees are done, it's time to pack it in. I know from experience how difficult it is to play with bad knees, and its ever more so for big guys. I believe in his skill and ability, but if the body isn't up to it, then we can't take the risk. If we have the spots on the list (which I don't believe we will) he will be given a one year performance based contract. But if that means losing a youngster who needs more opportunities (e.g., Raso, Edwards) I would prefer him to be delisted.

As for Fev, it's such a tricky one. I honestly don't believe Fev has the mental capacity to play on into his early to mid 30s like some of the great FFs (Dunstal, Lockett, etc). I'm sure he'll have the physical capacity but does Fev really have the mental steal to play on into seasons 11 and onwards? If not, then we should consider trading him (ONLY if a suitable trade comes up). If its premierships we want then Fev probably won't be around for it. If it's victories and improvement we want, then why would you trade such a talented superstar? Such a difficult one. I'm leaning towards no trade unless you can get a top 5 pick, a top 10 pick and a very good player. If not, then lets just enjoy the enigma. He's attitude will get better when our midfield gets better and we win more games.

Let's say two in the Top 10, 3 & 9. Would you do it?

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Fevs legs will not get him past 29. He is only good when he leaps off the ground to take a contested mark and as you get older you lose the spring you once had. He is no G-Train and will not muscle others out of a contest.

Fev is at his peak now and will not get better. Trade him and get something while we can.

Whitnall should go. We have plenty of kids coming through and they need to be developed. We will at least get a second rounder for him. During trade period things just go silly and players become over-rated, so it should work in our favour.

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