I'd actually do the opposite to trade both of these guys

I'd extend Fevola's contract for another 2 years (3 years) and sign RED up for 2 as well. Now that I have your attention.

There would be definite clauses of behaviour/fitness respectfully in each however. Sign and agree to the terms of employment or .....

"If" Fev and Whitnall have changed their ways and really want to lead or be part of this clubs resurgance, then surely they would have no problem with this!

Thoughts.

If Voss had got the job then I reckon both Lance and Fev would have been on their way but I think Brett Ratten may be a tad more forgiving.

I wouldnt give Lance a contract and would seek a trade but I think he may get offered a perfomance based deal for maybe 1-2 years.

I would keep Fev but I think Swann had the for sale sign on him at the press conference and will trade him if the deal is right......wont give him away but if another club really offered big for him then I think he will be traded...

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Would sign Lance to 1 year, base + performance. His trade value is zero and we might get lucky and he performs somewhere near his best. That's all assuming we have around 7-8 delistings off the rank before him which it looks like we may have.

Trade Fevola, he is not a team player and he is maximising his trade value very nicely.

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Sign Fev up when his contract expires. It's pointless adding clauses to Lance's contract, he's been out of shape for the best part of a decade then he loses 8kgs in a couple of months?? I don't know what the club thinks of that.

Regardless, the only way Lance can fit into the team is as a foward, we can't play 7 man backlines next year, so that part is up to Ratts. If he's retained he should be signed on a year by year contract which is the norm for players with f'd knees.

He had a year on his contract beoe this season???
Why would he be any better witrh another year?
Hes shot!!!... finished!!!!.. kapoot!!!! ......aged 27... Gone!!!.. keeping him would be another Sticks Kernahan masterstroke...

As for Fev... youd be crazy to get rid of a guy like Fev.... matchwinner.. modern day excitement machine.

Anyway..... how did Scotto go????

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I have noticed of late since Fev's suspension that he celebrates other players goals/mark more than he has previously.

Perhaps it Ratts or perhaps he is trying to improve his chances of a trade come years end.

It will be interesting to see who gets the coaching gig as this will say alot about what happens to these two players.

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Lance is finished. No position for him in our team. Austin and Kennedy to step up next year, Jamison arriving late this year, Carlos as a utility at either end. Goodbye Lance!!

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If we are serious about being a premiership contender in 5 years, the strategic and unemotional decision is to trade Fevola now. You trade Fev not because of his antics but because he is a star at the height of his powers and he will not be there for the Carlton Football Club when it has the chance to challenge in September. He is 27 next year. We are highly unlikely to play finals in the next 2 years, so that makes him 29 plus when we start to ascend. Added to that our young stocks are short of Key position talent. Our current list of young players has Hartlett, Kennedy and Austin as the only genuine KPP prospects (Hampson, Aisakie, Jacobs are Ruckmen). None of those players are guaranteed to make it. IF we could trade him for pick 8 and 15, the foundation is set for a tilt at a premiership in 5 years time. Fevola is the best pure full forward Carlton has produced but I prefer pure premierships and trading him is the key to winning number 17

How could anyone want to trade Fev is beyond me!! Maybe when they see him kicking 100+ goals for another team with a decent midfield feeding him. That can be Carlton from next year onwards with our improving group of mids. Fev will thrive under a Ratts style game plan that creates space for Fev to lead to and with better delivery from upfield.
Red is gone. No contract extension. Trade if possible, otherwise delist. Simple.

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C'mon Blueboys!

Thats all fine and good but you still need somebody.
Our problem is we still dont have enough real stars ... just kids.
At thew moment there is
Stevo.. but he hasnt played for a season
Scotland
Houla
and Fev...
of which only Fev and Stevo are A graders... and Stevo has a question mark over him.

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Simpson and Fisher are nearly there.

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Whitnall offers very little to the team and sadly should not get a new contract.
Fev I would like to retain, but if the club can pull off a good deal then I'd begrudgingly accept it.

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I would give Lance a 1 year performance based contract, based on games played, weight and results.

I reckon he'll get that too.

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Glad to see that we are rewarding mediocrity.
If the club are serious he should be given the arse the day after round 22.

No doubt about you EB.

Guys we are going to lose plenty of "experienced" bodies at the end of this year. Some should put their biase aside and see what is best for the club and believe me this is the best.

Both these two guys have faults outside the white line but both could be extremely valuable to CFC moving forward. A Brett Ratten coached team will suit Lance Whitnall for instance to the letter. Believe me if his knee is up to it and he is therefore able to keep himself fit, whitnall roaming around the forward line will not only complement Fevola and Fisher but give Kennedy the tutoring he needs.

I for one am very excited about the Ratten coached Whitnall

You may be on to something with Lance, I'm not too fussed either way. Scotto had his usual 30+ possies, but tell me how many tackles, shepherds, knock ons, smothers, blocks, spoils etc did he do. The guy is a C Grader at best and I hope they have read the riot act to him.

It's funny how you always criticised Pagan for playing favourites, you clearly play favourites on who should stay and go. Why not trade Fev for two 1st rounders? Maybe a quality mid and 1st rounder? You know Fev is as much a match loser as match winner....

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How could anyone want to trade Fevola??

He is our best player and the only bloke that can win a game off his own boot. He kicks goals from 50 plus mtrs out and he allows Fisher, Waite, Ohailpin when he is forward to have sh**ty defenders on them. How wild do the supporters go ( and im sure his team mates lift too ) when he kicks a freakish goals and starts with the finger and enthusiastic celebrations. He is a gun!!! Trade him and ill be shattered! If we did trade him and get high first round picks, how many young blokes will we have running around ?? We need a mix of youth and experience and leadership. Neck Stevens and Cloke back next year will really help, plus another pre season in the youngsters... future looks good

I love Lance but i reckon he wont be around next year.... if he stays it has to basically be for nothing.

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There's no positive in having an experienced player if they aren't setting the right example. So to me, saying we shouldn't get rid of Fev because he's experienced and we need older players in the group to set an example is off the mark. The same basis should be applied to Fev as is being applied to Lance; ie - are these the sorts of examples you want to be set for the kids? I would say no. The only difference between them is that you are going to get significantly more for Fev than Lance. If we could get a decent mature player and a high pick for Fev I would leap at it.

And this 'he is a matchwinner' hand wringing... please. Would you also be keeping Jeff Farmer on your list? Give me players who are committed to the team 100% week in week out and the wins will take care of themselves.

As far as Fevola goes, it's a win-win if we trade him or keep him so che sera sera AFAIC

How people can see any logic in keeping Lance on the list is quite disturbing. FFS, we're trying to build for the future with young players who will be hitting their prime in a couple of years and people want to waste space and time on a guy with shot knees, can't run and has no defensive qualities whatsoever. Imagine the athletic rebounders the opposition will match up on Lance next year. Think clearly people!

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Ummm....

no contract for Lance. If he wants to give something back to the Club then he is welcome to captain the re-emerged Carlton reserves.

And why would we give Fev a new contract when he still has twelve months to run on the one he has got? Keep Fev!