NO FLOWERING WAY!!!!

Rosa is extremely overrated in my opinion. A bigger downhill skier you will be hard pressed to find, he is a slightly less classier version of Houlihan.

Seaby: Maybe in a seperate trade, isn't worth it in a trade for the best FF in the competition

BrizzyBlue I'm as impressed with Ratten's first two games as the next person, but what you've posted, if true, vindicates every concern I and many others have expressed about Kernahan being involved in the process at all. It should also concern everyone who had a whinge about Voss being appointed without due process.

This idea that the interviews of the other key contendors are merely a formality makes Ratten's appointment as much of a sham as Voss's would have been.

As for the Dees and priority picks, you're assuming they won't be fieldng a reserve side themselves in round 22 which is a distinct possibility.

On the plus side, if the Bulldogs and or WC are willing to make us an offer we can't refuse for Fev, then that decreases the chance of us repeating the mistake we made by keeping Whitnall. That can only be a good thing.

Out of interest,

to all those who are advocating 'due process' etc etc in getting our coach... who out of the recent premiership coaches was appointed after a really thorough due process?

Worsfold... favourite son. I know they interviewed Neil Craig, but Woosha was always over the line

Roos... the thorough process delivered somebody else, and then Roos' efforts forced them to change their minds

Williams... I can't remember how he got the job? Maybe due process was involved, maybe not.

Matthews... the Lions made a big play for him, no one else really on the radar.

For mine, the clubs who have gone through this whole due process thing are the Hawks and the Saints. Both may have selected well, both may not too. Who knows at this early stage? But I just think that in footy you can let psychological assessments, etc get in the way of gut feel. In the past two years, people on this site have been imploring Wayne Hughes to ignore draft camp results, and just go for the kids that they know can play footy (ie Murphy and Gibbs). The same applies for the coaches - go for a gut feel as to who can coach a team. I just think we can get caught up in this process stuff too much... when after the last two weeks the decision is blindingly obvious. So obvious, that even Sticks can come up with it. Interview McKenna or Bond or whoever, and then just appoint Ratten. Sure it is an insider's job... but hey, it has worked for West Coast and Sydney.

Brett Ratten has the players mind and spirit, they are playingg with passion, they have shown large improvement already over two weeks, numerous players have come out in support.

FLOWER PROCESS!!!

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The way the kids have stepped up a notch since Ratts has been in charge says it all. Compare for example, Bower amd Jackson's contributions the last two weeks to their first tastes of senior footy under Den Den. No comparison. Sign up Ratts and then work on building an A1 top notch team of assistants an specialist coaches.

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If WC trades Glass I'll buy a Carlton membership. He's close to the best FB going. There is no chance of this happening.

I'd be extemely surprised if they traded Seaby, in ruck they have Cox, Seaby and Spaanderman - they are very exposed if Cox gets injured, they're fruited it Cox and Seaby get injured. That is unless they go for a ruckman trade this year.

Ratten must have the Carlton job stitched up and with Pratt, Swann, Icke and Ratten you are definitely getting your shit together. The one thing that provides immense comfort to the other 15 teams is Stephen Kernahan - keep up the great work Sticks - we love you!

Seaby and Rosa for Fev?
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Sometimes I dont think people on here have a clue about what theyre talking about...

Seaby = Mclaren..

No if not the other guy I would go Hurn + Rosa and upgrade of 3rd round pick, (for their 2nd round). Pick 38 becomes pick 30'ish.

We have Hampson. Aisake and some other young guy (2008) on his way as our long term rucks, we dont and wont trade for another ruckman.

Or ... fev + pick 3 for some other guy and eagles first pick.

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Can't we keep Fev?

The leadership from the young blokes looks good. We have future leaders out there in Murphy and Gibbs. We have Stevens and Walker to come back next year. We have Simmo and Fish who continue to display a mature and focused approach to the game. To me, Jackson looks like he could be a leader, and Carrots is a man who has extracted the utmost from his own game.

What Fev has lacked for the most part of his career at Carlton is a group of leaders who can pull him into line. That leadership deficiency seems to have been addressed now, and the character of the younger blokes is something which continues to impress me. To me, these guys are capable of pulling him into line pretty swiftly.

Fev looks like he wants to play in the same side as our youngsters, and they look like they want to have him around. I say keep Fev, and watch him blossom along with the team.

Yes Molly I would rather keep him, apart from 1 scenario.

I reckon we might play finals a bit quicker than many here think.

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2009. Maybe. Is the most generous I could be.


Apart from that I should read this thread more often. There's some juicy stuff in here.

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Here are 3 separate scenarios based on the last 4 games and whether Fev will be here next year:

NB: The picks are approximate only!


Win again & Keep Fev: Picks: 3, 19, 35, 51 etc.

No further wins & Keep Fev: Picks: 1, 3, 20, 36, 52 etc.

Win again & Trade Fev: Picks: 3, 8, 19, 35, 51 + Solid Player etc.

No further wins & Trade Fev: Picks: 1, 3, 8, 20, 36 + Solid Player etc.

It will be interesting to which scenario posters prefer!

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If Tarrant is worth a pick 8 in a super draft then Fevola is worth pick 1 in this draft. If we trade for pick 8 the other player involved in the trade would want to be a better then a solid player.

Well said Rhys...no deal and we keep picks 1 & 3 thanks

Fair compensation for losing a player like Fev is pick 1 or 2 in the national draft.

Don't win another game and we get pick 1 for free in the national draft.

So in effect, if we win against Melbourne, but trade Fev... we're pretty much no better off than if we'd lost against Melbourne. A net return of zero.

If the club wants good early picks to build the future on, they either need to trade Fev or lose the next four games.

I think I'd go the 'lose' option myself.

Scenario 2, thanks.

I'd like to see who'd people think would win us a game up forward if Fev wasn't there.

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If Fev was smart, he would pull out of the last 4 games of the year with an injury. 2 reasons.

1 - it would (pretty much) ensure we lose the last 4 games of the year meaning we get the PP and don't need to trade him for another high draft pick.

2 - it would make us a lot less competitive in losing the last 4 games of the year (by much larger margins that what Ratts et al would like) and thus show the difference having Fev in the team makes. This may prove to Swann and others that we need him in the team to be competitive.

I prefer the scenario where we don't win another game and get picks 1 and 3.

The bulldogs find an extra 1st round pick from somewhere and bundle it with their 1st round pick and a player for Fev.

So we end up with four 1st round picks plus a player and lose the petulant, if talented, full forward who needs the principal in the classroom before he behaves because his $500,000 contract isn't incentive enough.

But hey, that's just me.

Quote from Swann at half time today, " Fevola is contracted for '08 and will not be going anywhere. BUT if someone offered a deal that was too good to refuse, then, yes, we would have to look at it. But, it would have to be an outstanding deal."

I hope that we keep him (although I have posted pro trade Fev),
a) because he is leading the way with his work rate
b) Judd doesn't seem to interested if you believe the press
c) Whitnall should be shown the door at season's end
d) Kennedy has not shown enough to suggest that he could kick 30 plus if played at FF for a season
e) No other young player other than Kennedy has presented himself and demanded a key forward role.

I'd much prefer Rosa ahead of Seaby.

Although, I'll admit, I haven't seen a lot of either of late. A front runner and perhaps less 'gifted' *cough* than Houlihan nevertheless Rosa looks to be a much more level headed player to me. I'm not advocating the above trade but we could do a lot worse than Rosa at the Blues.

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