When it comes together for us, and eventually it will and we're actually getting decent delivery, on a very very regular basis into our forward line...

Who would you want there???

NP, k ... just hope all this crap sorts itself out soon!

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Some months ago most of us thought that this would be the last year for Kouta and Lappin with doubts over Lance and his fitness and ability to keep pace with his younger opponents . No great investigative journalism there.

The pace of the game is getting faster and these players have been carrying the team for a while and are getting older and slower. Still capable of turning it on for a while but not dominating an opponent for a full match. Skinny has said that he really wants to get to 200 games with the Blues and I think once that has been achieved he will retire which is at the end of this season. I think the club asked Kouta to retire once his injury was diagnosed so they could promote a youngster and that is what he did.

Fev has been in the spotlight since being stood down for a week and his future has been a major talking point in all the media. He has five matches to show he can contribute and if he does then it will be very hard for whoever is coach to trade him. That puts the ball firmly back in his hands. Want to stay perform. Want to go drop your head.

Im not sure clearing out this much experience in one hit is a good move.I can understand the reasons behind wanting them gone but are picks no` 60 or 70 going to be any better value than Lappin/Whitnall.They will both be on a greatly reduced salary if they remain and would help with the development of the younger players in the 2`s.Also good to have around when injuries hit,ie greater depth.There will still be plenty of delistings but we will be smashed again if we offload too many senior players next year.

The club would be better served getting games into kids such as Jamieson and co rather then to overweight undisciplined performers such as Whitnall who had to be suspended by the club.
Your argument about pick 60 or 70 is not entirely correct. Imagine last year if we had of traded a Whitnall for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Good players can get picked up at that number.
Do you know what pick numbers Port used to get handy players Robert Gray and Justin Westhoff??

Sydney and Port are too clever to swap anything good to us for Fev.

We would be screwed over if we did a trade with these two clubs. Their recruiting nous is far superior to ours and Fev. is worth far more than two fringe players - which is probably what they would offer.

Jason Saddington x 2 anyone?

No thanks.

Fev. is an A grade player - name one other player that can kick those lairy goals he kicked on the weekend?

I can't think of one. UNIQUE TALENT... Worth keeping for one more year at the very least.

Re: Whitnall - most people on Talking Carlton picked this up last year, but thanks to Pagan and Kernahan's desire to make him captain, they overrided common sense to keep him on for another year.

We won't be stooged over any trade for Fev when 5-6 teams will be lining up for his services. Clubs will be coming to us and we simply weigh up the offers as they come in.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

He wasn't going to play next year anyway ... the pity is that he won't be playing this week!!!

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Yep good point Rhys.Just thinking about the situation we will be in next year.I agree, trading Lance last year would have been a smart move but i guess after coming off the B&F we didnt have the bottle to do it.

Yeah, but think about that 70 metre goal Fev. kicked on the weekend and ask yourself this question - how many times have you seen a player kick a goal like that?

once?

Never?

Fev. is a unique talent, just as Judd is a unique talent. There are few players I would even consider trading for Fev. Pavlich - yes. Judd - yes.
Cox - yes. Cornes - yes. Shaun Burgoyne -yes. ... but i cannot see any of these clubs giving away marquee players for another marquee player.



If they trade Fevola for 2 players ranked 15-25 at Sydney or Port and a draft pick or just the two players ranked 15-25 in those teams - then I will not be buying a membership ticket next year. It is pure stupidity - much like making Whitnall captain in 2007.

We missed the boat in regards to trading the undisciplined Whitnall. Neale Daniher on Saturday was asked on radio whether Whitnall had any currency and he said very little.
It goes to show how hopeless and dumb Denis Pagan and Stephen Kernahan are in making footy decisions. Instead of trading him last year where he had some value they appointed him captain. I still laugh in disbelief with the decision.
That’s why sticks kernahan should have no involvement in appointing the next coach.

The end of 2008 will be very different to the previous seasons with the biggest change being no more Pagan and the first result that we saw with Ratten in charge certainly changed the way the players played the game..

The biggest anchor in Pagan has been removed and could have big changes on how the list performs both the kids and senior players.

With Fev will be very interesting to see what his attiude is with Say Ratten in charge and the big influenece of swan and icke starting to influence the football department. If Fev is traded you get maximum value as stated 6 or 7 teams will be lining up for him. If he decides to change and reform and makes a major commitment to the rebuilding of the Blues then We need to at least get an extra year on Fev to secure him to 2009 to save any chance of him walking into the PSD prob to Miller and the Tigers.

Whitnall obviously now Pagans gone has been given a few home truths to the point he has dropped 6Kgs. He will be either shown the door or retained with heavy conditions based on fitness

Lappin is a funny one i think for last couple of years really has not enjoyed playing for Pagan even with some of his comments he has made certainly hasnt supported Pagan. We may see a re-inspired Lappin for the remainder of season and maybe retained for extra year again for experience.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

As I said in the thread on Fevola, I can't believe the number of posts which support trading Fev.

He is a once in a generation forward for a club. Anyone who doubts the importance of a class forward should look no further than the WC eagles.

Even with their unsurpassed/much-vaunted mid-field they sometimes struggle to win games because they can't find a reliable way forward. Hansen out of their side brings them back to the field -- with him in they don't lose games -- and Hansen is nowhere (IMO) as good as Fev.

We need Fev more than anyone else on our list. I wouldn't trade him for ANY mid-fielder.

People management means being able to get the best out of all types of of individuals and any coach worth his salt should be able to handle even a "problem child" --if indeed Fev is that.

Often the most brilliant people in an organisation are the ones with eccentricities -- it is part of their make-up and in a football team it is a big part of what brings in the fans.

I hope Fev is with the Club for the rest of his hopefully long career

trade fev to anyone but westcoast ! they will rob us blind for him and then he will kick 100 goal a season for the next 3 years winning flags in all of those years ... we owe the comp not to trade him to westcoast !!

not if we don't let them

Exactly. I don't want to lose Fev, but considering how well he would go with blokes like Cousins, Kerr, Judd, Embley, Braun et al kicking the ball to him, I think they would happily pay through the nose for him.

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#GUILTY

Weren't sure where you were going with this for a second there....

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

What a joke. Be kidding about getting rid of Fev and Scotland. Scotland got votes again last week cutting up Luke Ball. You won't replace a player like Fev in the draft and I doubt a club will want to trade a big name for him anyway. Anyway, Fev's manager has insisted many times, reinterated again last Saturday, he won't be traded and having a contract if he doesn't want to go then he isn't going anywhere. Nothing anyone can do about that. Swann surprised me on the ABC last Saturday virtually saying that they'll keep Lance. I thought if his knee was shot he's better off gone. Lappin, under another coach he wants to play under, has plenty to offer and I'd like to keep him. Have to have some senior players in the side.

For Starters:

FEV cannot be traded, unless he agrees to the trade and his manager has said he wants to be playing at Carlton Even if the club say they will put him in the bullants. Its all in his contract.

Anyone that wants to trade FEV has got rocks in their head. If you saw the Carlton vs St kilda game, he kicked 5goals being double teamed the whole DAY!!!

Enough FEV trade talk unless you trying keep the club at bottom of the ladder for years to come!!!

Whitnall, Lappinand Scotland - all quality senior players, one thing Carlton lack senior players. Last thing the club needs is a senior player to go that is a quality player!!!

Whitnall has been injured all year - give him some slack. They won't trade their captain anyway guys.

Dont need kids running around out there.

yeah cause we have such a great record of getting the better end out of trades
as for scotlands game on the w/e i thouhg he was poor he was playing of luke ball who is bearly standing he really should of made more of an impact
we need to start fresh get rid of the same old crap we have been putting up with scotland is never going to be a premirshp player for carlton we have a core of gibbs murph waite and when we pick up kruzer in the draft plus our no 4 pick we need to build a team round that not the constant frustration of fev lance and co.