"Voss key to coach race" Caro 28/7/07

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:12 pm

Speakers wrote:

One of two things are going on here.

Either the rumours are true and Voss has already signed and is just playing funny buggers with the media

OR

He is a bit concerned by Ratten's competition (especially after a good first game for the Blues as coach) and is being coy to the point of making out he might not want to coach just yet (in other words, he's in defensive mode just in case he doesn't get a seat when the music stops).

OR

He's unbelievably indecisive which will be oh so useful if he's trying to work out which end of the ground to play Fevola...

Megaman · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:29 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

I think he has been told to back off and try and give the impression that carlton and himself have not come to any arrangement

This is whats happened I reckon, if not us he has an agreement with someone..

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:58 pm

GWS wrote:

Speakers wrote:

One of two things are going on here.

Either the rumours are true and Voss has already signed and is just playing funny buggers with the media

OR

He is a bit concerned by Ratten's competition (especially after a good first game for the Blues as coach) and is being coy to the point of making out he might not want to coach just yet (in other words, he's in defensive mode just in case he doesn't get a seat when the music stops).

OR

He's unbelievably indecisive which will be oh so useful if he's trying to work out which end of the ground to play Fevola...

Just as well he'll have two O'hAilpins at his disposal next year. :lol:

malbi · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:02 am

Well Footy Classified was interesting tonight. Wayne Carey says that Michael Voss won't coach at all next year. Caro is starting to lean the same way.

They highlighted Jason Dunstall's rant over the weekend where he said that Vossy is arrogant. He says that if he doesn't know now whether he wants to coach then he shouldn't wait for clubs to tell him that they want him.

The Age is also coming out tomorrow with an article, by Caro I think, which states that Leigh Matthews is telling Voss not to coach next year.

The wheels are slowly turning. I would take at least 12 candidates over Voss at the moment. I want someone who knows what it takes. OK, here are my 12 (just to stir the pot): Ratten, Bond, Harvey, Daniher, Connelly, O'Donnell, Longmire, King, Hudson, Silvagni, Sumich, McKenna, Rehn (make that 13).

Voss in 2 or 3 years might be better than most of them, but not now. He wouldn't know the first thing about coaching.

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:48 am

Matthews might be feeling more secure at Brisbane and confident that he won't get sacked to come out and say Voss should wait a year.

Voss might be after his job this time next year.

Matthews advises Voss to think twice

I don't want Carlton to sign Voss because he's so green and inexperienced.

Voss's indecision about what he wants to do next year raised more questions and says he isn't ready to coach just yet.

Certainly not a club that is four years away from doing anything meaningful on the field.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

BlueIce wrote:

Matthews might be feeling more secure at Brisbane and confident that he won't get sacked to come out and say Voss should wait a year.

Voss might be after his job this time next year.

Matthews advises Voss to think twice

I don't want Carlton to sign Voss because he's so green and inexperienced. His indecision about what he wants to do next year just sets off more alarm bells that he isn't ready to coach just yet.

Looks like the Lions want him as well.

tcblue · **Joined:** Tue May 02, 2006 3:27 am **Posts:** 161

I realise we dont know what is actually happening most of the time, but
so far all I have heard is, who is going to be lucky enough to get Voss.

I want my prospective coach to say he desperatly wants to coach my
team. He naturally has to find out from us what he is in for, and what facilities , etc, he has at his disposal.

This hasnt been the case so far from all the interviews I have seen of Voss.
Not sure I want him. I could be wrong, and he could come in and do a great job.
A big risk.

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blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

A coaching candidate for my team that doesnt know his own mind isnt a very good candidate.

The Coach that we have right now is one that is still learning, but because he is comfortable with himself in that his mind is made up about being a coach, he is a long way ahead of Michael Voss.

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bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

tcblue wrote:

I want my prospective coach to say he desperatly wants to coach my
team.
.

No coaching candidate will do that because no coaching candidate will put all their eggs in one basket. Sheesh!

womack · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:29 am **Posts:** 2209

so Voss is indecisive and arrogant now? And doesn't desperately want to coach our club? And gee - Caro and Wayne reckon he might not coach at all next year.

get a grip everyone.

Voss is exactly the type of person we need at this footy club - and the powers that be at this footy club know it.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18044

womack wrote:

Voss is exactly the type of person we need at this footy club - and the powers that be at this footy club know it.

Why?

What exactly makes him " the type of person we need"?

JohnM · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:23 am

Based on the Wayne Carey Principle, BV.

Wayne went on record before the season stating that the Kangaroos would go nowhere with Laidley as senior coach. Now they're second.

Wayne also thinks we were 'stupid' to get rid of Denis, and that all the other clubs should be queuing up at his door.

Furthermore, Wayne thinks that any club that appoints Voss as a senior coach would be 'stupid'.

So far, Wayne has an impeccable track record in analysing this coaching caper. I say whatever Wayne recommends, do the opposite, and you'll be right.

womack · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:29 am **Posts:** 2209

Blue Vain wrote:

womack wrote:

Voss is exactly the type of person we need at this footy club - and the powers that be at this footy club know it.

Why?

What exactly makes him " the type of person we need"?

he is a leader of men.
he doesn't suffer fools.
he is intelligent.
he is young.
he is the future.
he was fearless on the field.
he is inspirational.

he will be our next coach.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18044

womack wrote:

he is a leader of men.
he doesn't suffer fools.
he is intelligent.
he is young.
he is the future.
he was fearless on the field.
he is inspirational.

he will be our next coach.

Sounds like you've been reading too many Jackie Collins novels Womack. :wink:

All those qualities could describe Brett Ratten as well.
But they dont make senior coach. Voss' communication skills appear quite poor imo and his abilities to analyse the game and convey the details to the listener are abysmal actually.
They are far more important qualities than how he fared as a player.
If he fails to communicate competently and he has glaring deficiencies elsewhere, the players will quite rightly see through the rest of the crap in 10 minutes.

He reminds me of Gary Lyon and Dermott Brereton when they retired from playing.
They needed the fix of notoriety and recognition as a competitor, like when they played. They also needed to fill the void created by not being competitively involved anymore.
Both those guys tossed up about coaching and I'm sure both enjoyed having their egos stroked with being mentioned as potential coaches.

Eventually they both realised that they wanted the involvement but couldnt/wouldnt commit the time.
I'm hoping Voss comes to the same realisation.

Mind you John M's comments started to sway me. :lol:

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

This is the biggest :garthp:

thread I have ever read.

So many keyboard experts, who take what they read in the media as a blow by blow description against what is realy happening.

Get a grip folks...

I dont want xxxxx because he is uncertain... kicked a goal against us.... doesnt love the blues as much as I do.... cant make his mind up...

No matter who we choose, half of you wont be happy.

I will be knowing our club has made the best decision after talking to these guys ,not reviewing their media reports.

SHEEESH!

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

Electric Blue wrote:

This is the biggest :garthp:

thread I have ever read.

So many keyboard experts, who take what they read in the media as a blow by blow description against what is realy happening.

Get a grip folks...

I dont want xxxxx because he is uncertain... kicked a goal against us.... doesnt love the blues as much as I do.... cant make his mind up...

No matter who we choose, half of you wont be happy.

I will be knowing our club has made the best decision after talking to these guys ,not reviewing their media reports.

SHEEESH!

Great post EB, although I think this is about the 6th time you have made this point.

Bit surprised by some of the comments from some TC'ers about Voss.

Fact is unless you have interviewed any of the candidates nobody would have a clue.

I only prefer Voss as a personal opinion, but the field of candidates appears to be strong so whoever they choose should be very good. I'm much more certain of the current administration making the correct choice than I was of the previous.

womack · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:29 am **Posts:** 2209

if we don't choose Voss I'm going to barrack for Essendon*.

MeeSo · **Joined:** Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:07 am **Posts:** 29

I love Ratts but i'd like someone with no club connections or loyalties to come in and clean up the place.

As long as he has the necessary support i'd have no problem with Voss. He's not a great communicator on TV but most new coaches aren't. Talking to players is very different to talking to the camera.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:53 am

MeeSo wrote:

I love Ratts but i'd like someone with no club connections or loyalties to come in and clean up the place.

As long as he has the necessary support i'd have no problem with Voss. He's not a great communicator on TV but most new coaches aren't. Talking to players is very different to talking to the camera.

The last coach we had who had no connections with the club and came in to clean up the place was called Denis something. :roll:

Not sure if that is what we should be looking for.

I just want the best coach in Australia.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:06 am

Jarusa wrote:

Electric Blue wrote:

This is the biggest :garthp:

thread I have ever read.

So many keyboard experts, who take what they read in the media as a blow by blow description against what is realy happening.

Get a grip folks...

I dont want xxxxx because he is uncertain... kicked a goal against us.... doesnt love the blues as much as I do.... cant make his mind up...

No matter who we choose, half of you wont be happy.

I will be knowing our club has made the best decision after talking to these guys ,not reviewing their media reports.

SHEEESH!

Great post EB, although I think this is about the 6th time you have made this point.

Bit surprised by some of the comments from some TC'ers about Voss.

Fact is unless you have interviewed any of the candidates nobody would have a clue.

I only prefer Voss as a personal opinion, but the field of candidates appears to be strong so whoever they choose should be very good. I'm much more certain of the current administration making the correct choice than I was of the previous.

w3rd dawgs!

"Voss key to coach race" Caro 28/7/07

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