Thankfully for us unsensible people that like to see the team win (OMG what a crazy thing to do) the season lasts longer than a month.

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We won't finish last.

The season is long, and we're not quite halfway through.

I think we're going to see some of the other "rejuvenated" teams drop towards the end of the season as the length of the season takes its toll.

We are Carlton.

We play to WIN.

Any supporter who takes delight in us wallowing at the bottom of the ladder should be ashamed.

If we are truly crap as some have suggested, then we will finish low. If we play like the positive amongst us know we can, then we will rise out of the rut we're in.

If knowing we're better than last on the ladder isn't sensible, then I'm insensible, and @#$%&! proud of it!

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If we can beat the Swans next week and upset the Crows tomorrow the season might not be as bad as we predict. The Swans are arguably worse than us and have strangly escaped the glare of the media spotlight. The Swans have really gone down hill quickly and are ripe for the picking next week. Lets finish them off not just for the win, but for the joy of sticking it up Jim Main.

You're right. I don't think Football Park holds any fear for us.

On current ladder positions (Saturday night), our next 4 games are against teams in 6th, 9th, 13th & 10th on the ladder, none of whom are playing that great at the moment.

Yes, it's probably wishful thinking, but not impossible. If we were to win the next 4, we'd be 6.5 wins after 13 rounds......and ready to create havoc!!

Yeah if we won 6.5 games for the season the only thing that will be creating havoc will be missing out on the last year of Round 1 Priority Picks.

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Let me ponder that for a moment.

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longer. that's the point. they say its about 3 miles up the road and you travel 6 miles to get there!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Realism - our list is light on talent and if not worst list in AFL close too it - no need to tank because playing so poorly as a unit wont win many games and we need desparately early draft picks and the leverage of being able to access players early in pre - season draft

BEING ON THE BOTTOM -bloody shocking gut wrenching and soul destroying

I'm confused. Do we support our team to lose?

All will be better if we lose?

This is a concept for football?



I'm going to go chop some rocks with Chapelle...

We want the club to get better.. which means better players.
What i dont get is when people say " i dont want to lose... i want to win".. the flip side to this is you cant realistically win if you have a crap list... and you need to inject good players in the side to win...

well how do you inject good players in the side???

You have to lose first...

Which means.... lose more games = then win more games.


weird... its like a magnet... a negative and a negative equals a postive.( losing enough to geta pp and a player through the psd)
Or a positive and a positive equals a positive...(good sides win each week= premiership)

a negative and a positive equal a negative (10 games winning for a season keeps you in no mans land...)

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So what happens when we play a side that also wants to lose?

I think we're becoming sucked in to the "system".

One which would have us believe that the loser's way is the way to win.

One which has taken our sights off the long view.

One which rewards loser mentalities.

2 draft picks will NOT refresh our whole team.

We need to pick ourselves up off the floor. Raise ourselves by our very bootstraps.

The Carlton I know and love can come back. It won't be easy. It won't be short. But it will happen, and @#$%&! all you people who want us to finish bottom with PPs.

Getting into a PP mentality is just as damaging as the brown paper bag mentality of the 80s and 90s.

We will come back.

We will beat the Filth and the Bummers later this year. Shame on you all who would prefer us not to just for one lousy @#$%&! draft pick!

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we can play five of those and still get a pp... thats a drawn game.

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Actually, Synbad, if you remember your science, a negative and a negative repels. That's right, too many negatives is repellant.

Taking it a different way, a negative and a negative mathematically is even more negative.

Either way, you just proved what I said. The mindset of "PPs are the only way up" is a dangerous thing.

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In maths, a negative multiplied by a negative = a positive

Ill tell you whats dangerous.
going into fight Mike Tyson in the days when Mike Tyson was a good boxer thinking you can win... and you did so every day for a year...

Thats us... were crap...

But tell me Captain..... you want to win right??

How will we win enough to make the eight...????
How do we get a list capable of playing competitive footy???

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] i flunked maths and physics

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I don't have the answer at the moment.

I'm not privy to your insider knowledge.

But I sure as hell hope the people who are getting the plan together don't have your mindset.

I've said it before: If we are truly crap, then we will finish low and get good picks, and so be it. But if we are as good as I think we are, then "playing youth", "experimenting", or plain out "tanking" is a bad way to go about re-establishing our club. If we are as good as I think, then we'll just miss the 8 because of the performances to date this season, and the upward surge will provide a good springboard to next year.

One or 2 low picks will not be the saviour of us, Synbad. You know it as much as I do.

Hard work, over time. That's the only thing which will rebuild us on a foundation of rock, not on sand. Geelong did the time, and now look at them. And that's including the damage Ayres did.

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What id thatose two picks were Riewoldt and Gehrig for example???
Of course those 2 picks can be our saviour...

What would really and truly @#$%&! this club up would be to win 5 1/2 games this year..... and come third last...

that would be another Black Friday..

Why do people go on about losing players that day...and not if you end up shooting yourself in the foot???

Cos you know what????You are shooting yourself in the foot if the above happens...

Youre just not smart enough to see it.

as for the club???

well denis is a coach... and hes used to not losing.
The board are newish and would not want to be seen as 'losers' from spoilt supporters like you.. who really dont understand the system and what needs to be done.

For all your 'winning' attitude people like you will force us to have an extended period at the bottom not being competitive cos you know why???

Well you said it yourself... "I dont have the answers synbad"

Thats right you dont have the answers.. youre just flying by the seat of your pants... hoping.. praying.. clutching to ever tiny glimmer of hope.. only to have head kicked in on a regular basis by reality...

"I dont have the answers synbad"

Well Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh Fred!!!!!!

You mean you cant understand how the system works...

Denis and the board are right to continue trying to win... because we have supporters like you with their heads up their bums thinking there is an easy way out of this...

There isnt!!!!

Dont you get it???

Riewoldt.. or Goddard... or Hodge... or Cooney with a Kosi... or Wells.. or Ball.. or Walker and a player through the PSd like a Stevens.. or a Gehrig.. is our only way out of this mess.......!!!!

In fact you have the losers mentality... you want us to be losers for longer than i do..

You know what???

Lets see how you feel when we win 5 1/2 or 7 1/2games because we didnt play more kids and win 4 1/2... and we end up with Phil Reid...

Its actually pathetic to listen to you think were going to get out of this with our pride intact... doesnt your arse hurt anyway???.... do you like the feeling of the old in out in out without the vas that much that you really dont want us to get a good list asap??

You must really like nomans land...
you want us to stay there forever.. or youre going to pray to your god in hope.

You obviously are oblivious to reality.

Football is about lists... good lists .. youre succesful... sit list youre shithouse..

Whats so hard to understand about that???

Even if we win 10 games again this year were still shit not ggoing anywhere......highly unlikely we will win 10 games... but say we did..??? so flower what?????

We still have a crap list.

Reminds me of the WC FIELDS line ...

WC FIELDS to ugly woman.. "Youre ugly"
Woman back.. "Youre drunk"
FIELDS... "Yes but in the morning ill be sober"

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And tomorrow, sober or otherwise, Synbad, you're still a condescending prick.

Like I said, I am not privy to the sort of information you are, separated from the club geographically as well as in an information sense.

So I'm the one who isn't smart? I beg to differ, but I guess we'll never be able to go down that measuring-our-dicks-to-prove-who's-the-bigger-man path, but at least I know how to spell.

As for "Black Friday", I'm over it. It's history, and we can't do anything about it. Done. Finished.

I can see your arguments as to why winning 10 games (hell, you think it's suicide to win 6) is "shooting ourselves in the foot", but what I don't agree with you on is just how damaging that will be.

Why is it, Synbad that to back up all your arguments you rely on some somewhat battered logic, then proceed to push the point with insults and condescencion? It's just not needed, and makes your arguments less appealing. I don't think you need to lower yourself to that level to make those kinds of points.

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