Process

WHat process are we following in our coaching recruiting? Same old Carlton crap, let's get a big name without any process at all. What will we get? A man with no coaching experience who thinks Fraser Gehrig is a great bloke to have a drink with, who gets himself embroiled in assualt charges, who is so arrogant he thinks experienec is for lesser men. What will we get with him? A few similarly inexperienced mates from Brisabane and a genius like Frawley.

Are we even going to talk to anyone else? Chris Bond, who was a close second to Lyon in the Saints selection process (the type of process we should have but never will because we are Carlton) won't talk about coaching until the end of the season. Are we even going to talk to him? Or don't we do that because we are Carlton and high profile is all we want.

And who is the genius presiding over this debacle? Sticks of course, great footballer, great Carlton man, terrible decison maker. He wanted O'Reilly because we needed a "big bastard" (even if that was a broken down hack), he wanted Britts then wanted him sacked, wanted Pagan and then wanted him sacked, -probably helped with Ackland's recruitment. Why is he involved at all in this? He wanted Pagan out then in, and in effect engineered the rift with Mitch and failed to solve it by refusing to allow Mitch to be sacked.

I have had a gutful of amateur hour at Carlton. If we go through a process and get the best, if that is Voss, then okay. But everything points to another half baked old fashioned out of touch bad decision by the bad news Blues.

Mark H or Stephen M please tell us we are going to get the best by searching and interviewing widely. Please tell me we are not going to just appoint a name. Please tell me we have decision makers at the club who actually remember the Tim Watson experiment. Just when I think things are looking up we appear to want to yet again show how dumb we are and how incapable of learning a lesson.

Dick gets his man. We always hear that and we've seen that. He got Swann. And he'll get whomever Swann and Co. says should take us forward.

I'm "reasonably" confident kenny - just still worry about the "and Co." every now and then. The sooner that buffoon is removed from the decision making process the better. If he's been removed already (and let's face it they're not exactly going to announce that one) then I'm one happy Carlton supporter.

Need reassuring about Stephen Icke?.....didnt he engineer Tarrant and Solomon going to Freo?....didnt rate his judgement on that decsion too highly if thats the case.

That is a senior coach decision.

I'm "reasonably" confident kenny - just still worry about the "and Co." every now and then. The sooner that buffoon is removed from the decision making process the better. If he's been removed already (and let's face it they're not exactly going to announce that one) then I'm one happy Carlton supporter.

verbs says "NO!" to Frawley.

I would suggest he had more than a passing interest in Tarrant and Solomon and was heavily involved in the deal making...
If Tarrant and Solomon are his idea of attracting new talent then I hope he was just having a one off bad day....

Have a little faith. Look who is running the show now. Do you think our men have been twiddling their thumbs when they knew as soon as they walked into the club that Pagan would not be here in 2008? It's perhaps just happened a little bit earlier.

Yeah, Mr flip-flop - he's the last man standing. At least the other two main culprits have been removed. Hopefully Swan is wielding the power he should.

Kenny you are another that seems fairly close to the inner workings and I would assume that Swann and Icke are wielding the power and will make the best decision, but I share the misgivings of GWS and others.

We are supporters who have ben through the mill and keep going and chipping in our money for memberships etc. We need the club to be fairly transparent, to reassure us, because the last 20 years decision making has involved too many bad decisions, and while I love Sticks passion and commitment, he has been central to most of those footy decisions over the last 10 years. I wince when I hear Dick Pratt say he leaves footy decisions up to Sticks.

Isn't Greg Lee a recruitment guru. I will hope they make the right decision. I have serious misgivings about Voss but maybe he is not in our sights. Whatever decision is made it will make or break the club and is the most important coaching appointment since Barrassi.

I just can't quite have blind faith in anyone at the club anymore. I, like all of us, have a stake in it. We have been let down by many awful decisions. I want to be reassured. There is nothing wrong with at least making a few of the right noises about the process. Even if Sticks has already signed Voss with the same assiduous attention to detail that landed Ackland, O'Reilly, and precipitated last years coaching sacking/ reinstating/ non talking debacle .

I hope they are going to talk seriously to everyone including non media darlings like Bond and others. I have no faith though. Tell me the process, show me results. I'm through with blind faith.

Also it would not surprise me, if moves by Dick & co panicked Essendon* into sacking Sheedy earlier than planned.

Thats nothing but pure speculation. The recruiting manager would have been alerted to the availability of tararnt for trade. Icke would have given his 2 cents wrth but the decision whether to trade for him or not lies with the senior coach and his assistants.

His brief may have been, "we want a key forward". If Tarrant is whats available, he has to present it to the coaches.

Do you blame ShaneO for the 1999 and 2001 trades at carlton or the coaches. I say the blame rests with the senior coach

Question: Voss is contracted to Brisbane still, i assume this will expire on the 31st October like most contracts. Does this mean Voss cannot assume a coaching role until his playing contract has expired?

am i the only one that doesnt want Voss as head coach?

just about any other role and i would love to have him at the club.

mentor to the leadership group, development coach, assistant coach would all be great roles, and a superb signing.

but i cringe at the idea of him being the senior coach.

we have to much to lose if an untried coach is a failure.