Spot on Agro! I was able to get responses from the AFL and the club on the PP situation last year and whilst the club did make numerous submissions to have the rule changes reconsidered (albeit in meek fashion) the AFL’s response was predictably pitiless and inadequate. And on the back of P.Keane’s petty response I find it ironic that they may be faced with a sticky PR situation if it eventuates that we qualify for a PP and have a selection before the wooden spooner. There will be immense satisfaction at this should it occur.

I doubt that there is any scope for the AFL to question or suspect that our club is somehow deliberately capitulating regardless of how much outcry there is from the football public. Let’s see what the next 6 weeks deliver…

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The team does not need to tank--- they are not good enough to win another game.

The rest of theyear is about player development. Those that are not in the mix for 2008 and beyond should not be played, unless they have a role in developing other players (ie. Kouta would be good for this- Lappin would not).

So by default we do not have a team that can win. It is not tanking, it is development. There will be no possibility in the world that the players will be told to go out and lose.

List managament is far more than just drafting players. Example, looks like the new dietician has helped Lance get a touch lighter. Also, as many on this forum have identified, player development is a critical area. I would think getting the right coach and development coaches is going to have more impact than one solitary high draft pick, and that's what we're talking about here. If anyone wants to argue that getting a Kruezer is more important than getting Dick Pratt back into the fold I'm happy to do so. There is no doubt the Pratt appointment has had the most profound effect on this football club this decade, yes even more than Walker, Murphy and Gibbs combined. Setting the right structures and environment is the most critical element in any workplace (that's if you want to be successful of course). It's no coincidence Geelong have improved siginificantly post review and implementation of new structures (e.g freeing up Thompson's time, leadership development). Last year everyone was questioning whether their list was overrated, this year the list is realising its potential. We still don't know what we have and we wont know until structures are put in place and critical appointments are made. If we lose all our remaining games this year then so be it, but I think we will get more out of playing a young group and that group getting confidence from winning games. We're still odds on to get a Top 3 pick anyway.

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I know I will be satisfied MarciBlue.

I'm not sure Adrian "Chester" Anderson's standard response to any tricky question "ratings are up, crowds are up" will suffice in this situation.


But the AFL have shat in the frypan now they can eat it.


Sounds better in Greek - but unfortunately cant go there.




And I am not going to dignify other replies from quasi super heroes with a response.

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Different arguments. No-one here is devaluing the importance and level of input these appointments have and are making on the club, however, after another disastrous year there can be no argument that picks 1,3 & 20 is far better that picks 4 & 21 (for example). This opportunity may not be available to us again under the current rules. And on the back of the injustice and frustration of last years rule changes to the PP it is some sort of retribution on our behalf should we manage to qualify for a PP.

Having said that, I don’t want the team to lose come 2pm on Saturday when I see them run out (as contradictory as this might sound). But a focus by the club on youth and 2008 and beyond gets my vote and ché sera, sera!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Apparently there are some around here who quite fervently believe there is no difference.

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There is a difference in the amount of figures, for a start. So we will still get a top-five pick - big deal, I'd rather have two.

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In terms of making a difference over the next 3-5 years, getting and extra PP will have less influence than everything else I have previously outlined.

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Marci, not sure if 1,3 & 20 are far better than 4 & 21, but having the earlier picks definately increases the probabilities of getting a good player. I think we have some latent talent that could be anything with the right development and environment. If picks 1-5 guaranteed you a superstar everytime then perhaps a different story but it doesn't work that way. I read a a couple of years ago where the Swans actually quantified the probability of success of draft picks (article was in the weekend AFR I think), and they came to the conclusion 1st round draft picks were overrated. Hence why they regularly traded their 1st rounders (with some degree of success). That's why I would rather see us develop and start winning now, may seem like we are giving up something but I strongly believe this will be of more benefit in the long term for our existing youngsters. It could also mean the difference between some of our premium youngsters wanting to stay or not. And we if recruit astutely, we might pick up a gem at 21 (we got Simmo at 45 which was a great get in the infamous '02 draft).

And I'll be there this Saturday and I'll be in full voice. That's what being a supporter is all about.

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1 & 3 as opposed to 4 & 21

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Very clever. I wish I had your wit.

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I do have to take it down quite a few IQ points to cater for the LCD.

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There are definitely no guarantees but the general concensus is that whilst the top half dozen or so are as good as others years the depth and quality of this draft may drop away quickly beyond that. It just means that a guy like Kreuzer is a lock in and then we can snare one of the 5-6 quality mids on offer at 3. Otherwise it is only the mid and no Cox prototype.

I agree that we have definitely underachieved with our picks 2nd round and beyond generally except for 2002

The PP versus winning games argument has been done to death. My annoyance was with this sudden outcry from sections of the football public that Carlton suddenly encounter some sort of intense scrutiny on our approach to games to uncover deliberate tanking. Having said that I just heard on SEN that Fev might be named so that goes a long way to quell these assertions because if it was up to me he would be rested for any niggle he may have. Better than the gross incompetence and mismanagement of his groin injury in 2005 when that year was shot!!!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Isn't the whole idea of the Draft (and the salary cap) to even up the competition.

Who needs the PP more than Carlton who have recorded 4 1/2, 3 1/2 and 4 wins in three successive seasons.

This is all crap, we couldn't win a game if we had the money to pay someone to lay down.

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My God that depresses me.

I know our results, and how bad we've been over the last few years; but seeing it written down in blue and white just really gets me down.

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And this was exactly my argument to Patrick Keane at flower house last year. How could we be denied the PP last year after achieving 4.5 wins in 2005 and 3.5 in 2006 was beyond me, thats 8 wins out of 44, a win percentage of 18%!! Regardless of the rule changes it flew in the face of the whole notion of the priority pick to assist struggling sides.

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C'mon Blueboys!

Dont listen to all the AFL rhetoric about wanting to assist us.

The deeper reasons about why we were shafted by the AFL with their retrospective change of the PP criteria lies in the fact that the Dark Lord (Ron Evans) and his snivelling toady Demetrispew - were of the opinion that the AFL commission went lightly on us Black Friday 2002.

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tanking....stop it you'll go blind

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I heard a snippet on the radio from Jabba, of all people, saying he wished people would just stop complaining and that nobody deliberatley loses games, or words to that effect. Kinda tends to indicate it's all a bit of a storm in a tea cup.

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Anderson strongly denied clubs tank, saying that peoples jobs are on the line etc etc blah blah blah.

So no need to worry yourself Marciblue, just prey over the next 6 weeks we don't lose a game.

Did he throw in a "crowds are up/ratings are up" as well.


Anderson is a total dill and "The Spew" hired him because it makes him look good.


Anderson is "Chester" to Demetrispew's "Spike" - "he's so big and strong and I'm so weak and puny."

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