He definitely tried his hardest, but the reality is that he was the wrong guy for the job, and even though I was supportive of him at the beginning I was still weary of the erratic nature of how he was hired. IMO he was hired by Elliott in the hopes of shutting his doubters up. But of course that didn't work, and Denis was left at the helm of a team that he really did not have the skills to develop.

Last time when brought in to coach a senior team he had a bloke named Carey, ready and aching to take the league by the scruff of the neck, and a whole bunch of both young and seasoned players who fit the mould as footballers to what his strategy and gameplan would allow. But when dealing with a club on its knees, building a team out of a bunch of confused kids and disenfranchised senior players, in what was fast becoming a new era of the way football was played, Denis was always behidn the 8-ball. He was badly unqualified for this job, and the results show it. But I give credit for his effort.

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Its easy to shoot a man when he is down isn't!

I salute you Denis. You gave it your all and handled yourself with Dignity

in the end.

No of us here couldn't have done any better and from the outset your

hands were tied and you were accountable to a bunch of monkeys!!

The administration/players both now and former have alot to answer for.

All the best for the future and thanks for the hard work and for giving it

your all against incredible odds.

God help the next bloke who lines up for the job. He will be walking into a

storm as well. None us walked into the place as it was when DP did and to

say we know better or could have made a bigger difference or survived 5

years of hell.... well enough said!

Yes he needs to move for his sake and for the clubs. He is human after all

and human beings are fallible aren't they? Denis Pagan or a Michael Voss or whoever can't be our messiah-premierships and dynasties are built by people pulling together across the club and being unified. Carlton has shown any of these attributes for say 10-15 years. Where has there been leadership on and off the field?

Hopefully, a new day is dawning.

P.s Sharpen your steak knives you might need them again in a year.

Im sure he will thank you back Ryan...

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Nice post and very true.

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The first thing the interim coach needs to do is take the players aside and tell them how disgraceful they have been over the last 5 weeks

As for Pagan yep handled the press conference with class . IMO he had to particularly given the payout he is going to get which comes back to how this club has been administrated.

Pagan was given a four year contract ( an extension) of some sort) after winning the
preseason cup. How [REDACTED] was that.

Denis wont coach another club. His days as a senior coach are over.


He should of gone after the Hawks game. He had finally lost the players. The club has been too slow to react over the years to change and have made some stupid decisions.


Obviously there was a communication breakdown between Pagan and most of the players, but the players must be aware of their role in the pathetic peformances

Thats why I want the broom to be used further.

When you hate what youre doing.
The message isnt making sense.
You do not believe in your coach.
Youre beleted week in week out.
There is a mental fragility...

Thats what happens .. its natural.
Pagan had to go and we have to give a new head and a new voice a chance.

You just cant keep taking those Larry Holmes left hand jabs for 5 years and not be effected.
You have to do something.

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There are so many Pagan topics not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,9191,22123413%255E20322,00.html

Yeah thanks Arch.

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Agreed...he could have come to an arrangement where he resigned and still got the money without the club having to knife him.
I think the media conference and Denis handling himself so well was more about self promotion and maintaining a good image for another coaching job...

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Yeah meanwhile getting his mates Carey and Archer to rip into the club.

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Fairdinkum!! Some of you people are unbelieveable .

Oh yes, Dennis Pagan is the devil and was sent to destroy the club from the inside.

FFS, get over it, move on, get a life and leave this @#$%&! thread if you want to continue having cheap shots at a bloke who has more respect from his peers than some here could ever hope for.

This place is a rabble .

Thanks Denis for the manner in which you handled yourself yesterday.

You did not allow your sacking to deteriorate into a media circus or public slanging match as so many other news stories have at Princes Park of recent years.

You treated the club with dignity on your way out and I thank-you for that.

No doubt this was in part due to the administration we now have, but you played your part with honour.

Thank-you

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Gimme a break....the only ones pumping Pagans tyres up are the old the Pagan mafia ie Carey and Archer......Carey was pathetic on footy classified with his pitiful excuses for Pagans lack of sucess and Archer is a Ron Joseph boy who also happens to be a Pagan friend .
The man was on $650k a year.....dont give me this poor old Denis crap....
Denis hung onto the end to get his money and couldnt give a rats ar$e about anyone but Denis......what clown wouldnt talk to his Bullants coach considering we are rebuilding....a bigger man would have built a bridge if he cared about the club.

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Yes, he showed great restraint when he could have turned to the excuses he used during his tenure. He was given plenty of chances but held back. In public, he was gracious and took the rap.

But I'm just glad he's gone.

One of the most interesting snippets was Sam Lane's piece in the Age quoting a player who noted the most remarkable aspect of Pagan's address to the players was the lack of emotion. And there was applause afterwards but no hand shakes.

And how tedious and predictable was the wheeling out of his great mate Archer to defend him and take a shot at the club? And Carey on Channel 9? As soon as someone mentions Pagan's name his eyes mist up. Caro was making points about the PERCEPTION, "rightly or wrongly", of Pagan as yesterday's man and all Carey wanted to do was tear strips of her.

Proof that trolls aren't always in black and white .

There's only about 8 threads for you to spit your venom, why come to the only thread to acknowledge someones efforts and infect it with your spite?

In case you haven't realised yet, footy's a business. DP was entitled to the money as was written in his contract, surely any forward thinking person can understand that?

Maybe you suspicion of Pagan says more about you than Denis. I'd bet my last dollar if a job came up coaching next season he'd walk away from the $750 and take it in an instant. He's the sort of person who is determined and competetive and doesn't see money as the be-all.

You seem p1ssed that Denis has left with dignity and respect, maybe you wanted him dragged through the mud and burnt at the stake.

Agreed KH. Archer & Carey should shut their trap.

As for Carey and his potting off Laidley, here's his grand opportunity. Pagan is available, will he push his barrow for the North job?

I actually felt sorry for her then, she tried to spit out about 3 times that it wasn't her view but shit for brains would have none of it. Well we know these shin boners love to stick together I mean who could forget Penguin using our footy club to get his mate to 300 games.
Next year we'll rebound from this mess, doesn't matter who takes over Roger Rabbit could do a better job than Pagan has.

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Actually the best performance yesterday was that of Greg Swann. This man is top shelf and is exactly want we need to turn our fortunes around.

I too was impressed with Swann. Straight to the point, no @#$%&! around, professional and allowed Denis to leave with dignity.

I get the feeling with Swann that he is a guy who may not have had a great amount of education, but made his own way to become the success he is. I don't know if this is true or not, but it's a vibe I get from him.

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Trolls....yeah right...and you have the credibility to be calling me a troll???
Now your telling me which threads I can contribute on?
Agree ..Footy is a business and I'm sure Denis would walk away from $750K to get another couple of million from another club....

Denis doesnt see money as the be all and end all?........you need to see the light brother, Denis has some might fine investments and looks after them with a handy team of financial advisers and playing with racehorses aint a cheap hobby....

I'm pissed that Denis has taken our dough, done bugger all to earn it, and then used a media conference to suddenly become the caring/sharing new age Denis and promote himself as still fit for coaching and more pissed that his Ron Joseph led mafia have done all the knifing and slagging off at the club in the media....

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Swann is a highly educated man & very successful in his own right before entering the world of football.

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